You realize he's a supergenius prodigy, right?

Dude only knows like 4 moves.

He's really not. He just has insane quantity of chakra AND a literal god inside of him that bails him out whenever he gets in trouble. Whenever people praised him of ''getting smarter'' it was only after he dumped a huge quantity of chakra to do something

I was hoping he would adapt that outfit for the rest of the series.
It was peak Naruto aestetics

He would literally be a monster with all his gifts if not for being a retard. That's fucking horrible for writing protagonists.

He is an idiot savant

His only competition prodigy wise is Gaara.

Garra
>nation's ultimate weapon at 12
>sets exam records in a foreign academy that produced minato itachi and kakashi
>kage at 15
>appointed as general of the world army at 17

& Naruto trounced him

Much like how Naruto’s initial childhood perspective on the what the position of Hokage signified went through a clear change (from being loved by everyone to sacrificing for the future of his tribe), so did his perspective on the reality of fate. The narrative evolves too subtly for its fan base to pick up on. People mistake Naruto's words before any character development as the crux of the entire series, which only gets worse because of how close it was to Rock Lee's bullshit. Initially, Naruto believed he could literally “twist” fate. Effectively showing that hard work > genius as a direct overpowering of Neji’s oppositional philosophy. Neji thought he had shit figured out based on what he could “see”, but he failed to correctly guess what the exact roles were in his field of view. It wasn’t about being a loser who simply wins through hard work and has no assistance through fate. It was NOT ASSUMING that someone else you don’t know shit about isn’t a winner. Not assuming someone else may not be destined for greatness just due to your narrow-minded perception of their impression on you, because you don’t know what’s been put in place for people by the powers that be before you got here. It’s not about everybody being able to win. It’s about not being a faggot who assumes somebody they don’t know is going to fail and underestimating the illuminati.

It's true, in this world there are definite born winners and losers. However, don't go around assuming you know exactly who those winners and losers are by age 12 if you didn't have a role in hand picking them or their genetics. Neji.

That is basically Ninja Calvinism

the situation is as vanilla as is typically understood. the order of the premises, however, is mixed up. it should be: 'ignoring fate initiates one into it.' neji didn't have enough trust in his identity moment to moment and reacted resentfully against other people's impressions of it.

It is supposed to be, at least the plot establishes it as such. But in all its development it has not shown this characteristic. A shame.
I don't like that the MC is not a Gary Stu.

Reminder Kishimoto himself had a rare glimpse of self awareness and admitted cynical characters like Sasuke, Pain and Madara had to be wrong just because of the brainless idealism of shonenshit and Naruto being the protagonist of.

Correct. He failed to accept his lot in life with grace until it was beaten into him. Neji was simply butthurt about correctly guessing that he was born to be a bottom bitch based on the literal visible label on his forehead, so he went around handing out his own personally biased unsourced rundowns about everybody else in his Naruto Fan Wiki until he ran into Canon Jesus and got knocked out.

There's nothing to admit. The story was always written ambiguously. The only person who was ever portrayed as being truly, fundamentally wrong and evil was Orochimaru. All the other villains were structured to be cynical and pessimistic, but not wrong. Many of Akatsuki's arcs essentially spend all their time on exploring sacrifice for the greater good. Even nutjobs like Hidan can be attributed to the broken shinobi system, given how he only got jobs because he was being hired by the villages and governing parties. If some retard unironically asked Kishimoto at a later point
>do you think Pain and the Uchiha were right?
then they didn't get what they were reading/watching. Even the Zabuza arc portrayed the "villain" as ambiguous and, despite their reputation, far from being evil. And so did almost all others.

*ahem*

kill yourself narutard

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>The only person who was ever portrayed as being truly, fundamentally wrong and evil was Orochimaru
Ah yes, that's why he got pardonned, now is doing these experiments for the village and even his previous ones(like Yamato) ended up saving this village

Thus is exactly why all these villains ended up abandoning their ideals for the sake of Naruto, Naruto was always the right one and the points of other antagonists were washed away(like the entire Uchiha genocide topic got all the gray thrown out and only praise and love for Itachi was left there)?

Yes, because Naruto is not an ideal world. He's being utilized as a resource on heavily monitored parole, much like Kabuto and Sasuke, because their skills are simply more of a net benefit to have working for the village than making enemies of them again unprovoked. Much like how Frank William Abagnale Jr went on to work for the FBI after spending years as a con man and inspiring the movie Catch Me If You Can. It's about utility.

This

I was referring to his initial introduction. Orochimaru was introduced as a complete madman who kills for fun without any actual purpose beyond extending his own life span. He was hired by anyone, he wasn't the result of the system, he didn't kill to improve people's lifes. He just killed cause of selfish reasons. That changed during the final quarter, but for the first 3/4ths of the series he was portrayed as the lowest type of villain you could come up with.
That's how you sell books, midwit. Do you seriously think that when your franchise has grown to be one of the biggest in Japan (and a worldwide hit) you suddenly go
>by the way, the protag is fucking retarded and he's wrong
Imagine all the death-threats and burned buildings.

Then the problem is shonenshit itself inhibiting good storytelling worse than fucking fake harem shit and even a worshipped mangaka like Togashi exposed this before even dumbass Kishimoto with answering Yusuke not being allowed to die at the end of Chapter Black with a retarded bloodline asspull straight out of anything else.

Why do you make this same thread everyday with a different initial comment and pic? You already know how this is gonna turn out. Some anons will rightfully point how much of a fool Naruto is, how he drowns in paperwork and how his powers are basically just gifted to him. And then others will call these anons soulless.
That being said, Naruto is a fucking dumbass. Strongest =/= Good Leader

>Sasuke
>monitored
Lel

>Naruto is a fucking dumbass. Strongest =/= Good Leader
Did you mispell Sasuke?

Makes me wonder what someone with half a brain and that power could have achieved.

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Gato, Deidara, Hidan and Kakuzu were portrayed as fundamentally wrong and evil you're reaching

>That changed during the final quarter
Not exactly. During his fight with Sasuke, it was shown that he became interested in all this eternal life bullshit after becoming an orphan and later seeing Tsunade lose her brother and lover. So in a way he could be said to be system's victim too

Kishimoto was legitimately disillusioned as fuck and did as much as he could to convey that through a Shonen narrative with the protagonist intentionally designed to preach the literal opposite of what he believed in as an author, while objectively showing the results for what they were despite the protagonist "winning". Of course he could only get so far.

"Good" storytelling to most people is what makes them feel good or make sense. Plenty of things in the real world don't make people feel good or make much sense, and when written in a story as they happen, will not be celebrated as good writing. Exhibit: Sasuke and Sakura. It is not an unrealistic pairing. Far from it. It's uncomfortably real. People hate it for a reason.

Naruto is all the monitoring he needs to stay right. They have to literal stop him not from taking off work to get up his ass.

...what does it have to do with Sasuke and since when is he a leader?

Hebi, Taka. Kabuto completed him on his ability to discern good subordinates!

I always thought Gaara's arc was much more impactful because, unlike Naruto, he's not the outgoing friendly type.

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You must be stupid if you believe that Sasuke is stronger than Naruto. Even though he trains all the time, he's never surpassed Naruto. Imagine if Naruto trained all the time instead of the bullshit Homage duties

>Naruto is all the monitoring he needs to stay right.
What I'm saying is that Sasuke, if he was willing, could probably just easily fuck off from any work for the village and just live somewhere else, and, in case he doesn't turn bad, he will be allowed to do that, unlike Orochimaru and Kabuto.
>They have to literal stop him not from taking off work to get up his ass.
That's not "monitoring", that's Naruto's urges to stalk his boyfriend, it's different

anyone know that doujin where adult Naruto and his clone fucked adult Hinata?
He was hot in there and i want to fap before going to bed

He was a very good leader though(till he lost his shit in Kage Summit). And he also was somewhat of a leader of team 7 too(till he lost his shit in Retrieval arc).
Yeah, Sasuke is good till Itachi obsession interferes. He is like Madara in this way

Currently he is said to be stronger

Oh, but he won't be allowed to get away with it. Because his stalker boyfriend will be willing to take away another arm to prove his love. Again. He knows that. They have an understanding.

Remindr that Gaara is a very progressive leader who took the poor and miserable Sand, made it somewhat functioning and re-established connections with the Leaf. Even though you coyld argue that initually in Kazekage arc he was shown to be "the child leader with strong adult advisors that whisper in his ear and do all the job" type, after kidnapping he was shown to take an active role, the only one trying to cooperate with other villages in the fight against Akatsuki(even if that failed), mad at Tsuchikage for using Akatsuki, calling him out with disgust on his obsession with honor and calling this an outdated term

Gaara is unbelievably based. Kishi did a great job with him.

>angry Naretard
Top-tier KEK

I always thought that him learning the shadow clon jutsu in just anight compared to him not being able to learn its simpler counterpart in the academy was meant to show that he wasn't dumb and just needed a different learning method than the one implemented in his educational system

Yeah, by off-screening 95% of development, amazing job

I'm definitely ok with that. Show him having strength that were misguided. More than just not being a genius, he lacked support to further his specific set of skills. But Kishimoto isn't really that good of a writer and made it way too random

but at least he was never defeated by sasuke

His development is all on screen brother!

Of course it is, yeah

The more you look at Naruto from Sasuke's perspective, the more it becomes a horror. You just know that at some point someone edited that meme from The Shining.
Look at him. He is not even surprised he randomly just meets Naruto.

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Instead he was screaming like a bitch when Sasuke injured him and he saw his blood.
Just another one of Gaara's many traits that magically disappeared in Shippuden

What'd you think of the moment with Gaara and his reanimated dad?

Naruto doesn't care about Sasuke that much anymore. Boruto killed their relationship. Just like everything else

>homage
dumb phoneposter

I think that this was an obvious retcon, utter bullshit, undeserved and an attempt number 266 to make something fucked up from part 1 suddenly toned out and white-washed

Is there literally any reason for Naruto to be stronger other than "just because"? Like, the Sage gave him more power because he loved his other son more? And this is supposed to be a good message?

Sasuke sat in a barrel for two days to retrieve his free powerup, it's not exactly a high bar

Nothing, because Kishimoto always going to fuck your story.

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It's almost like he's an MC or something.

>Sasuke and Sakura are good writing and people hate it because of it
Holy crap my sides

*toned down

Women are attracted to unavailable, infamously dangerous guys who look down on them, have the power to dominate others and largely don't give a fuck until the rare moments that they do. When they can't get that, they settle. Your mother will die before she admitted this to you.

user, everybody know that sasuke is the MC.

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Nah, sauce is just the god the mc worships.

Yes, and that's from Sakura's perspective. From Sasuke's perspective ending up with someone(yes, fujos, with Naruto too) make literally zero fucking sense. And give me the "restoring clan" stuff,this was proven bullshit many times