Does the current anime industry have the required talents and manpower to replicate the golden era aesthetic or is it...

>loaded question

Watching Evangelion and I really miss the washed out, fuzzy aesthetic with the watercolour paintings. Anno's direction is also unironically interesting with the composition of shots and letting you soak in the atmosphere, which is what makes it surprising when you hear it's just a budgetary constraint. It has a worm, comfy atmosphere but it also feels otherworldly and wistful when it wants to be.

I don't mind modern anime, but I can't help but feel that in the transition to digital, it's lost something it was uniquely adept at.

Budgetary restraints are often a good thing.
Just look at how Star Wars Episodes 1-3 turned out when they had too much money to work with.

Evangelion had no budget constraints. Their problem was time

Top right isn't even the same aesthetic, retard

bump

i know that disney movies of old are impossible to to make today.

Animation quality is not the same as aesthetic.

disney can no longer make 2d movies. the talent is gone and was not relearned

That's what he's referring to. I am not sure if what he says is accurate, but Pinocchio is by bar none favourite film of all time and I don't think there are still animators who'd be able to replicate the whale chase sequences + its color palettes. Similar things can be said for Bambi. But that's probably it. The rest of their catalogue shouldn't be too hard to replicate.

Thanks.

the talent is still there but it more effective to create films using 3D software since they're cheaper, can be banged out, can be modified and edited faster, and because of the cheap labor pool. Disney is a company, they don't care about art.

>do something new
WAHHH WHY CAN'T ANIME BE THE WAY IT USED TO
>recreate what's popular
I HATE ANIME IT'S ALWAYS THE SAME THERE'S NO ORIGINALITY

Glad anime doesn't look like that anymore. Got tiresome really fucking quickly.

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Why?

whos's this nameless hack?

The knowledge and talent to make 2d movies was never recruited or sought for again.
3d is something completely different. they cant make 2d movies and 2d cant make 3d movies.

The important bit of doing something new is doing something good.
"Innovation" without quality is just shit.

>The knowledge and talent to make 2d movies was never recruited or sought for again.
This is something that scares me because it could happen to anime. Like that episode of Shirobako where there's literally a single guy in the studio who knew how to animate horses.

That's after they go out of their way to say that every keyframe they ever did was still in storage. It's not impossible to learn but nobody uses fucking horses and shirobako was exceptionally silly use of them for demonstrative purposes.

Youre confusing talent with skill. Theres a lot of talented people at disney, but they literally do not have the tools anymore for 2d, and the company hasnt backedup all their procedures. They cant do it for a lack of interest, they cant because they dont know anymore. They woild have to come up with something new.

just like tooling for a machine shop only its a sweatshop, still 2D != cel

Watch Redline.

He asked for solid visuals, not an aesthetic disaster.

Redline's not quite the same, it's technique is all superdetailed characters and really quite skilled camera/cg work vs. careful animation lines.

But they can? I hate to rehash what has been rehashed 50,000 times but Kyoto Animation is doing exactly what you want. Incredibly talented artists making manpower intensive animation. You are kidding me if you think they aren't.

I've been watching anime since 1983. We never got anything like this ever.
youtube.com/watch?v=R_PTlM5quRc

EVER and I've been watching anime for 35 years. You can find some, Patlabor the movie, Akira, GiTS, that have fantastic animation in many key scenes but goddamn Kyoto Animation is pushing it in every episode. This is A TV SHOW. A golden age for animation? We're in it.

But, muh aesthetic with the long noses and narrow eyes. And? We don't make German Expressionist cinema anymore either, or French realist paintings, or Brutalist architecture. The art world moves in cycles and that cycle is done. It's not that they lack the artistry or ability or manpower, it's just not the direction anime style has gone in anymore.

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There's no incentive to make fantastic-looking anime because animators get paid for the number of seconds of anime they draw and as a result the incentive is to draw as many pragmatic, uninteresting scenes as possible in the majority of TV productions.

>VEG
while i agree with what kyoani can do visually I really cant but hate this anime though

>shitting on Redline
Your taste is bad and you should feel bad.

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This isn't even as bad as it gets. Calarts charges $50,000 tuition and shits out the same garbage art style year after year.

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It's not just them either. We never got shit like this in the 80s. Certainly not on a TV show. I watched Voltron and Tranzor Z and Robotech and Sylvanian Families, M.A.S.K, Jace and the Wheeled Warriors (not technically anime but anime studios so it counts in a discussion of animation quality) Now?

Holy shit man
youtube.com/watch?v=-HOAuiY5XFQ

These are fucking TV SHOWS. You know what we got for TV shows in the 80s?
youtube.com/watch?v=GVq9dhpGFjw

And people keep yelling that 'muh golden age is over'. Fuck you.

There literally was a golden age but it wasn't animation, it was capital. Everyone wanted to invest in high-cost for-export animations.

They do, but what people demand are moe blobs. This happened years before your time.

Newfag please leave. You're embarrassing.

Cherry picking.

Newbie faggot on anime, what are the titles? I only recognize Akira

Ghost in the Shell, Vampire Hunter D, Jin Roh, Akira.

> primarily colors
> points at purple skirt
what did he meant?

means he's earned his fine arts degree

I'm sure it could be done if the effort was put in. CGI will destroy any oppurtunity for these kind of works to exist

Not entirely true, autotweening and CGI coloring are some of the best technologies ever invented to create 2d cel-style animation. Don't blame the machine for the people actively choosing to use it wrong.

Trends have changed so replicating the old style with modern animators would be tough. They might not be able to get the budget together for it anyway.

In the UK we lost all animation to CGI. It will happen in Japan

No, you lost all animation to cheaper animation.

Anime is dead Jim

Which was CGI and will happen in Japan you stupid retard

No, it was CHEAPER than CGI. It was shitty CGI. It's cheaper because it's CGI but then WAY cheaper because it's shit.

I'd say more on budget since after the bubble economy where Japan was minted, a lot of production costs are too high and not profitable.

Anything that comes out needs to make merchandise, hence why adaptions of popular manga happen and idol shit.

AKIRA's production was nuts, even the lip-sync on the mouths are more detailed than modern anime can get.

>Well it can be good
Except it won't be a majority of the time and 2d animation will die. This isn't hard to understand you smooth brain

Right, it won't be good for very nearly certain. That would be the case with or without CGI, the market has spoken.