Ok, I'm nearly done watching pic related (just finished episode 19). I'm gonna watch the last 3 episodes probably tomorrow but I really don't understand why it's praised like a masterpiece.
People compare it to Lain, and honestly that almost makes me feel like i fucked up and i'm watching a different anime because asides from the art style (if even that) it doesn't remind me of Lain at all. Lain isn't straight forward in its storytelling but it has a deeper meaning and is actually interesting.
I really can't get interested in Texhnolyze. The focus keeps jumping left a right, there's a shitload of characters with nothing special differentiating them from each other, which makes the show really hard to follow. Not "hard to understand" as in you have to think about it and all that, just hard to get interested in.
It's also extremely dark especially the first episodes, now obviously this is intentional but it really makes watching multiple episodes in a row quite tiring, which doesn't help.
Maybe i got my hopes through the roof by expecting it to be on par with Lain, or even Haibane Renmei, but i usually manage to set my expectations asides so i don't think so. Are the last 3 episodes truly what sells it? For now it's mostly just people shooting each other up and getting robot upgrades to get better at shooting each other up.
Ok, I'm nearly done watching pic related (just finished episode 19)...
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I hear you man
I felt the same way and dropped it a bit earlier than you did.
Low IQ. Filtered.
Texhnolyze is my favourite anime of all time but its understandable why most people don't like it
I don't agree with a lot of what you said though, I think the characterization is one of the shows strongest suits writing wise, I guess because the character designs arent as extravagant as other animes and most characters are just guys in suits, it would be a bit harder to remember who is who
Most of what you said of why you don't like about the series comes down to personal taste I guess
You'll understand when you finish it
>that almost makes me feel like i fucked up and i'm watching a different anime because asides from the art style (if even that) it doesn't remind me of Lain at all.
People compare it to Lain, HR and _7 because all of them were made by pretty much the exact same group of people. In fact Ueda is both the original creator of Texhnolyze and Lain IIRC.
If you went in expecting it to be Lain then you probably did something wrong. But that's alright, some people prefer Lain over Tex and some prefer Tex over Lain (or HR or _7 or maybe even something only Konaka has worked on. Not that it matters.)
I personally just like Tex much more than Lain. And HR more than Tex. Though I love and appreciate all of them.
I was incined to drop it because it's honestly pretty tiring to watch, but considering how many people are calling it a masterpiece, comparing it with Lain etc, i really want to see where they're coming from
Feel free to explain then, high IQ redditor-kun
Honestly it's always hard to pinpoint why exactly you can't get into something, maybe i'm wrong about it myself, maybe you just need to be a characterfag to enjoy it? I have a hard time giving a shit about people irl, let alone fictional characters.
Also, would watching it in high quality help to get into it better? Because really the first few episodes are literally 100% black, at times you can hardly even see the characters' facial features.
>would watching it in high quality help to get into it better?
What do you mean? How are you watching it?
Quality isn't that great i feel, at least with the dark scenes.
so you've already seen the above world and it didn't completely flash you? Then I'm sorry because that was the best part of the Show for me.
this. amazing backgrounds and atmosphere
Filtered, not unexpected that'd happen to someone who believes Lain's story is anything but straight forward. There are still intricate, underlying themes but everyone should be able to fully grasp the story on their first watch. I'm of the opinion that everybody who loves Lain also appreciates Haibane and Texh (and vice versa), the fact that you don't just means you've been unable to follow the plot due to the lack of exposition and the numerous named characters.
If you cannot say something in less than 2 lines then is not worth to read.
I like this anime a lot, but I do understand where you're coming form. I also prefer Lain and Haibane Renmei. It has some thematic similarities to Lain—humanity's relationship to technology, and its effect on us both personally and socially—but it expresses its core ideas very differently. It's very busy and plot-driven, with multiple interlocking narratives, despite being quite slowly paced, while Lain is quite focused on one character, and tends to linger more on imagery and the close development of its main character. I made a thread about it a few days in which I compared it to GitS: SAC, and I stand by that. Much like SAC, Texhnolyze prefers to let a complex plot doing the talking for its themes and often for its characters too.
Personally, although it was great overall and ended very satisfactorily, I felt that it drowned in the level of plot detail around the midpoint when there was this series of betrayals within the Organo. The themes and ideas lingered with me, but much less so the characters and the images, although from the surface world episodes onward there were more striking visual and narrative elements that brought some balance to the density of its plot and worldbuilding.
>most characters are just guys in suits, it would be a bit harder to remember who is who
ABe does make a remark in the DVD interview that he had to design a hell of a lot of middle-aged dudes in suits!
>I felt that it drowned in the level of plot detail around the midpoint when there was this series of betrayals within the Organo.
Continuing from the last thread, there are a whole lot of things about Kano that I wish the show said more about--how did he know the surface world was "about to die out?" Was his endgame as shown in the last two episodes actually something he was planning for?
By that, I mean there seems to have been a change that the audience never sees between the time Ichise, Doc, and Sakimura venture for the surface, and Onishi and friends make their last stand underground. I've brought up in previous threads that when Kano has the guy in charge of the city's artificial lighting murdered, he seems to 'give up' in a way but we're not really sure how. Somehow I can't shake the feeling that his rambling to Ichise in the opera house about the next stage of evolution for the Shapes is really just his own pretentious way of admitting his own failure to change humanity.
Yeah I agree, I think that the Shapes rooting to the ground was never intended by Kano. Basically every character in the show has their own idea of how humanity is to evolve past extinction but Kano's solution was getting rid of what made people human at all, only leaving the Shapes with their heads. The fact that Kohakura had that uncontrollable twitch when he was rooted could allude to how turning into a Shape was the wrong course of action.
Yeah, I wish there had been some more focus on the Class in general. I'm still unsure of Kano's motives but I agree that it seems unlikely he intended the outcome we see at the end.
because Yas Forums has shit taste and low iq
>I wish there had been some more focus on the Class in general
I would've loved to see more of their little hovel (apart from the brief moment we see it throughout the late -teen episodes and Shinji's romp through it) since there was all that interesting architecture (the 'block wall' and the Piet Mondrian-inspired flooring/elevator decor).
>I'm still unsure of Kano's motives
Maybe the biggest sin of the second half of the show even though I'm still a big booster of it in general. It's no surprise that a lot of people I've seen talk about the show tend to compare the second half unfavourably to the first, partially because of Yoshii being rather up-front about his motivations, and also being incredibly entertaining/charismatic not only as a villain but also while serving as a bit of an audience surrogate as he's trying to learn about Lux.
Kano on the other hand drops in almost out of nowhere with his objet d'art bullshit. Viewers are maybe told to do a bit too much dot-connecting where the dots don't even seem to connect (using almost purely visual details) while their attentions are basically all directed towards dudes in suits fucking each other up. All the material that exists that might help with understanding his entire deal is apparently locked away in the individual Japanese DVD releases (apparently, a booklet explaining Kano and his statue are included within), and the anniversary doujinshi that I have but can't fucking read since my Japanese sucks.
Ran has the same role of Lain. She's the voice/collective unconscious of the city
>the same role as Lain
you're missing several roles then. Tex is the worst.
You might be watching the wrong region release. For some reason the R1 release of Texhnolyze is a lot darker than the R2. Here's a really quickly made comparison from the first episode.
NTSC-J does use a much higher base luminance than regular NTSC, like 40%. I think it's closer to PAL (r2) so maybe they just halfassed it.
That part on episode 1 where Ichise takes the gun from the suitcase is so dark.
The last three episodes are really worth it.
if they cut an arm and a leg with a katana, should you bleed to death?
It shares a transumanism theme with Lain, but they have very different messages and even more different methods of saying them. Where Lain has a focus on an individual - Lain herself - Tex has a broader lens catching groups of people.
>Are the last 3 episodes truly what sells it?
It does have a stellar, iconic ending, but it's definitely not the only reason it's liked. Either you're not stimulated by the philosophical message it has, or you didn't understand it. That's not a bad thing, but it does mean it's probably just not the anime for you.
>you can't understand it and hate it
its shit philosophy
This ancient reaction image sums up what you can expect.
>For now it's mostly just people shooting each other up and getting robot upgrades to get better at shooting each other up.
There are legitimate reasons to dislike Texhnolyze (see: pacing). Complaining that it is a brainless shoot-em-up is so off base it makes me think you are accidentally watching the wrong anime.
>Not "hard to understand" as in you have to think about it and all that, just hard to get interested in.
But you SHOULD think about it. It WANTS you to think about it. That's the whole point.
Does Doc eat penne al sugo?
>you can't understand it and hate it
user...
>Either you're not stimulated by the philosophical message it has
>or you didn't understand it
I know you really want me to be that asshole who tells you it's just 2deep4u, but I'm not and I didn't. I don't know why, because there are plenty of them in this thread already. But I gave an explanation for disliking it that is compatible with understanding it. However if this is a display of your reading comprehension, I now have my doubts that you're covered by that explanation.
No wonder a Lainfag wouldn't get Tex.
It's an overrated 6/10 series.
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Quick fix for dark rip
I wouldn't mind rewatching it after i finish it, i really want to give it a chance considering many people love this anime and its affiliation with Lain and Haibane Renmei, what is the best release?
garbage bin deluxe edition
I definitely get the theme about transhumanism, with people becoming superhuman via texhnolization which first was just used to cure people but then people started using just to become superhuman, and it's corrupting them mentally etc, you don't need to really follow the plot to get that it's kind of obvious this theme is there from the character designs alone
What did they mean by this?
OP here, just finished the series.
Last episode was great. Makes me wish the whole series was on the same level. Might try to rewatch the series in higher quality eventually, i feel like not being able to tell what happens in some scenes because of the dark and poor quality didn't help. What is the best release?
I used this one: nyaa.si
Glad you liked it at the end, I definitely recommend a rewatch some day as I think it gets a lot better on the second viewing. Lots of small details you wouldn't have noticed the first time.
>The R2 dvd release helps to clear up all those dark-scenes that this anime is infested with
At least i'm not the only one having this problem. Thanks for the link
robobenis :DDDD
>why it's praised like a masterpiece.
That's how 2deep4you bait works. Through in some empty atmospher and vague word salad and pseuds would gobble it up.
(You)
I usually enjoy shows midwits dismiss as being pretentious shit but are actually great or even masterpieces though.
Lain, Haibane Renmei, VEG, Shinsekai Yori, Girls' last tour, Madoka, Haruhi and Evangelion are all extremely good anime.
It always confuses me when I hear that Texhnolyze is relatively popular or highly rated in certain circles, mostly because its real appeal is quite niche. Maybe it’s because it comes off as "mature" or "depressing"?
I think from reading different take on the show i'm starting to piece together why i wasn't able to get into it.
Quality seems to be very important. If you watch it in low quality it's gonna be a pain to follow. That might be what happened to most people who didn't like it as well.
I always find the people who like the show the most are the ones who are able to find the positive message in it all
You lost me at VEG, that show is the ultimate midcult, and a midwit magnet. A cookie-cutter, commercially calculated product that uses pretty visuals and emotional manipulation to convince you it's something greater than that.
I mostly put it on the list because of the shitposting against it on this board
Thats the problem if you listen to retards on Yas Forums faggot.
I liked it much more than Lain(which was semi decent but the ideas in it are outdated after 20+ years of internet).Haibane i dropped on the first episode(boring shit).
Tex is one of the best animes ou there,th closest thing of getting a mix between dostoyevsky and Tarkovsky.It has great deep characters,good cinematography(which is rare as fuck in anime),and a show dont tell,no bullshit monologue policy that makes brainlets seethe.
If you didnt get 19 eps in it means you are a low iq subhuman,sorry to tell you this,just drop it here,the last 3 episodeds will be wasted on you anyway.
>Lain(which was semi decent but the ideas in it are outdated after 20+ years of internet).Haibane i dropped on the first episode(boring shit)
Please don't talk about IQ ever again
Yeah, that I can understand. A lot of people praising it to no end and shoving it into others' faces generated a lot of unfounded hate as a backslash, the audience polarized. It's the same case as with Madoka. I guess people focus too much on representing their side of the argument (I'm guilty of this as well sometimes) instead of looking for truth which, in my opinion, lies somewhere in the middle.
I do think VEG is a great show but i wouldn't call it a masterpiece
Well, I've got no problem with that. I'm more inclined to call it good but not great. I guess it also depends on how you define "good" and "great" and on your personal taste which isn't half bad in my opinion, since I can see some of my all time favorites in that list. I usually only react when someone calls it unrivaled artistic masterpiece with its incredibly profound meaning hidden from the common serf due to their subpar cognitive capabilities.
You just have latent pedophilia nothing wrong with that
> Haibane Renmei, Madoka,
Actually deep.
> Lain, Evangelion
Flawed and ptetentious in the real meaning of the word, but not devoid of genuine substance.
>Haruhi, Girls' last tour
Mindless (if comfy) moe.
>Shinsekai Yori
I'm 14 and this is deep.
>VEG
Soap opera for emotionally retarded.
You are a pseud with a laughable lack of self-awareness, don't even try.