Jutsus that RUINED Naruto

>Giant Rasengan
literally just a spirit bomb

Susanos are cool as fuck but Kakashi getting both eyes from Obito and summoning one was the dumbest shit ever.

To this day, I have no clear idea how the world in Naruto is governed or functions in general, apart from "lol there's ninja villages". Amusingly enough, it's a weakness of Kishi's worldbuilding still present in S8.

Rasengan is really just some lazy run of the mill power that could be in any other battle shonen.
Shadowclone at least had some interesting fight mechanics even if the number got a little bit out of hand pretty fast.

Also I miss the times when this nigger would show up every now and then and everyone was like "Daamn bro you got me"

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There are daimyos that own the lands and bunch villages within said lands
Not all villages are have ninja, only hidden villages have
These hidden villages are under control of kage
And mostly the military force of lands is ninja
Kishi just seems forget about land's daimyo and focus with ninja villages vs ninja villages politics and conflics
Maybe if we compare it with sengokou era it'll make sense?
Who I'm kidding.... Kishi is just weak at world building

>Kishi is just weak at world building

I'll say! I remember the things you mentioned casually popping up once every hundred chapters and maybe in some filler episodes when I still bothered with the series, but it never really formed a cohesive whole for me. Remember when one time during one of Sasuke's revenge arcs Kishi suddenly went "oh yeah there's samurai too with a whole separate military structure from ninjas. what? why they never turned up before? sorry, can't hear you over the sound of them vanishing from the story again."

/this

>The most memorable thing about Naruto

Hahahahahaha

Shadow clone ruined naruto in chapter 1

Susanoo, but more broadly, Sharingan, IS the reason so many better characters got completely pushed aside. The power creep became irreparable after it and Bijuu Mode, which made the plot Uchihas, Six Paths and "durr hatred" for no fucking reason after that hack's editor left.

If you look at the pre-chunin exams arcs the world made perfect sense. The hidden villages were mercenary corporations created by forced consolidation of previously independent hereditary clans. Their operations are managed by a CEO (Hokage) but real power lays in the hands of some vague tribal confederation council. As part of their vassalage to their respective Daimyo (Who are more akin to the Japanese emperor but whatever Kishi you fucking retard), they get a de-jure monopoly over all potential mercenary business within the Daimyo's territory.

To see the system in action as it was originally conceived, consider the land of waves arc. Tazuna (pic related) wanted to build a bridge and make money off the crossing fee. This would undermine the shipping business of a nearby shipping magnate. This businessman hires Zabuza to kill Tazuna. When he realized this, Tazuna went to Konohagakure and hired team 7 under false pretenses in order to get a cheaper deal. And you know the rest.

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>DUDE ENDLESS MY CLONES
>ENDLESS ENERGY
>MIND BULLSHIT
>FUCK YOU GOT SAND
>SUMMON DEATH
It's all crap from the beginning to end. Beat it shills!

I thought these were OK considering only 3 characters had them and after Itachi's death they were pretty easily countered in battle by anyone with a brain.

Crazy how Naruto went from Ninjas doing relatively small things to Moon gods

>only 3 characters had them
>Naruto
>Sasuke
>Obito
>Madara
>revived Itachi
>Orochimaru
>Kabuto
>Kakashi

Izanagi is not that op. Danzo would have been op, because he had so many sharingans, but he was the biggest jobber.

Mangekyou was ok, because it made the user blind, EMS was the mistake.

Stop deluding yourself. Characters were pushed aside simply because Kishi finished their stories and did not want to write about them anymore, he would find a way if he did. And this happened back before all the mega giant jutsus and big scales were there, back in Kazekage arc

Man, remember the time when some boney fag was the top threat?
Good times.

Oh yes, forgot about Danzo

Nobody said that the Rock Lee vs Gaara fight ruined Naruto though?

Was Hashirama holding back?

RASENGAN CHIDORI

You forgot Minato

Oh I meant the Sasano'o.

>Izanami
Arguably the worst offender. Literally only exists to bullshit another win for Itachi and write himself out of the corner he got into with Kabuto and edo tensei. Makes absolutely no sense otherwise in universe

no. orochimaru just used a shitty version of the technique and the vast majority of their power wasn't restored. meanwhile, sarutobi was a dusty old man who was way past his prime, so he came off looking pretty unimpressive compared to standard shippuden level fights as well.

It wasn't the jutsus that ruined Naruto, it's the fact that the author stopped giving a shit about drawbacks.
What made Naruto interesting is that each jutsu had it's own set of flaws and powerful jutsu had risky drawbacks.

Fun fact: Kishimoto loved his favourite Mary Sue Itachi so much he had to asspull new power literally every time Itachi fought.
>Fighting Kakashi? OH MY TSUKUYOMI
>Trapped by Jiraiya? OH MY AMATERASU
>Fighting Naruto? OH WELL I ACTUALLY CAN CAST GENJUTSU WITH A FINGER
>Fighting with Sasuke? OH MY SUSANOO
>Have to do something with Kabuto? OH MY IZANAMI
Things you do to have your fave get loved by the fanbase

I can understand everything but Izanami and Izanagi. They are so fucking story-breaking and unnecessary

It's funny when people bitch about Sasuke's abilities he acquired with little effort, but look at who he fucking learned his habits from

This, I don't think there was ever talk about someone's chakra reserve dropping too low or to zero and certain death at all in Part II, definitely not once Pain started.
Understandably it featured in the early story since they were kids being trained, but even Land of Waves Kakashi had a hard limit on his Sharingan and Lightning Blades because he wasn't an Uchiha and the eye drained him. Come part II and he's rocking fucking double Mangekyos?

Funny how everyone gives mha and one piece shit for having their main character beating every villain through punching very hard, but naruto just always makes shadow clones and beats the villain through a rasengan

>, I don't think there was ever talk about someone's chakra reserve dropping too low or to zero and certain death at all in Part II, definitely not once Pain started.
Kakashi literally died in Pain arc because of this

Everyone knows Rasengan is shit. It's various forms are essentially kienzan/genki dama/final flash all rolled into one.

It's just narutard self incerts.
People have no problem with Itachi getting stronger because he is Naruto's ally.
But god forbid Sasuke being stronger than Itachi because he is Naruto's rival.

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Proof again that it should have ended with Pain.

Are you talking about the shinto references or the fucking legendary asspull skills everyone started unlocking after pain arc.

>Everyone knows Rasengan is shit.
Oh boy, you wish.
Naruto is so popular because people like naruto, they will argue about everything about him as a saint.
A minority will actually see Naruto's fighting style for what it is

Shippuden is unironically better than O.G Naruto

If you like tactics : Sasuke vs Deidara is the most tactical battle of the series.
Or maybe Minato vs Obito , that was just genius !

If you like taijutsu there's plenty of that in Shippuden albeit that part 1 has part 2 beat in this regard.

If you like good animation ,direction , themes and emotional weight, then Pain vs Naruto has everything beat by a large margin ,those two episodes were a work of art !

Anyhow Shippuden is better no matter how you slice it

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Yeah, at some point it might as well have been magic and wizards battling one another

At least there is(was?) some taijutsu in Naruto fights in general, that alone usually brings the fights in this series higher.
Also that's not always the case. He used the toad for Gaara, he lost to Sasuke in a fight that was way more than just "rasengan", he used sage mode for Pain, taijutsu in a final fight with Sasuke and etc
Besides, mha is just shit in general

No, it shouldn't have ended there, there was too much plot left. At least one big arc was needed, and you can't just have it right after the other big arc

>Sasuke vs Deidara is the most tactical battle of the series.
This. Sasuke mind fucked Deidara.
Anyone that disagrees is basically a brainlet.
Those fights were well worth, first naruto's only upsides are Zabusa

A short wrap-up arc would have tied up most loose ends. The War arc was a dumpster fire.

Stories that reveal the mysterious pasts of their universes usually suck. The mystery of random stuff being thrown around with no explanation is always more fulfilling than whatever bullshit they come up with. Nine Tales went from an unknowable incarnation of rage and hatred that could've been born a day before attacking the village or a million years before to being Naruto's chakra dispensing belly-buddy. If you manage to find the archives from decades ago, you'll notice people were actually speculating about Kurama. Was it sentient? Why did it offer Naruto a boon in the Neji fight? Nobody knew what this trapped creature's agenda was. It felt like a fucking demon.

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You guys are deluded ! , rasengan or shadowclone by itself isn't impressive what's impressive is how the characters use them gif very much related !

Naruto is one of the most tactical battle shonen ever , leagues above MHA and One piece.

>but real power lays in the hands of some vague tribal confederation council
what the actual fuck are you talking about, Kages are supreme leader

>rasengan or shadowclone by itself isn't impressive what's impressive is how the characters use them
Yet Naruto has always been a retard and never did that

When it wasn't trying to be DB, Naruto had good choreography. But unfortunately a lot of the time it did try and be DB.

Comments crying that Sasuke got everything handed to him meanwhile Itachi put effort to get his powers make me laugh. Itachitards have to be gassed

>short
You can't have a fucking short arc for Tobi and Sasuke no matter how much you try

Tell me bro when exactly did Naruto become Dbz ?
This is just a meme spouted by stupid speed readers.
Naruto was still very much about tactics and how different powers interact to the very end.

Kakashi vs Obito is a very tactical fight and it came 95% into the series run.

Stop being a snarky faggot. See episode 55 they literally have a fucking council. Here's a photo of them. Now the worldbuilding is kind of vague, but it seems like the Hokage is a CEO of sorts. He makes all executive decisions, but these guys seem to manage all the intra-clan affairs, laws, that sort of shit. Danzo got kicked off this council for overstepping his boundaries and facilitating the massacre of the Uchiha.

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Naruto throws around shadow clones to fatigue the enemy as part of his strategy ,he can afford to do this because has large amount of chakra.

But it's just a part of his strategy , he always gets the victory through clever ticks , in the pain battle he turned one of pain paths to stone.
And used a shadow clone to throw himself at pain and deliver the final blow.

you mean the 3rd hokages fucking advisors???? There is no proof anywhere that any of the other kages had anything remotely similar

This is before Sasuke's attack on the Kage Meeting so there isn't a whole lot of hatred towards him yet. He's a deserter, but he's also killed several Akatsuki and Orochimaru.

Regardless of that, none of the Uchiha stuff is very complex. Danzo could be handled quickly as it was in Canon, and instead of bringing up the War arc beeline a conflict between Sasuke and Naruto. For Obito its pretty similar, instead of a full war arc either kill him off with Konan or again beeline a fight between him and Kakashi. Of course this isn't necessarily a small arc, but it is far more compact and sensible than the War arc.