Sasuke enters the Battlefield

Sasuke enters the Battlefield

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>under Orochimaru
>becomes strong enough to compete with Itachi
>under Jiraiya
>learns a bigger Rasengan
Naruto got massively cucked there.

Remember this scene was set up to make it look like Sasuke was going to put everything to the test and try to slaughter the Alliance just for it to be dropped instantly when zombie Itachi showed up?

>CHADren enters the Battlefield
>"D-don't hurt me! Please! I beg you, CHADren sama"

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This really bothered me while reading the manga. I never got the impression Naruto was strong. Sasuke always seemed 2 to 3 steps ahead of Naruto, fighting wise.

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>whines about his sins
>never even kills a single Alliance soldier just so Kishimoto can keep him squeaky clean

Can't. Fucking. WRITE.

>>becomes strong enough to compete with Itachi
With a sick Itachi that was willing to let him win anyway.

When they fought on the bridge when Naruto had sage mode and Sasuke didn't have EMS he should have shit stomped the little faggot and made him come home.
But he didnt, then after that for whatever reason they were written as equal.

>>learns a bigger Rasengan
Not really. You forgot Naruto learned how to activate his fox chakra up to 3 tails or so and that Jiraya already taught him the Rasengan and summoning techs earlier.

With that said Jiraya has always been more of an ideological teacher who can boost your fundamentals more than one that teaches techniques. After all Jiraya is a ninja about guts rather than technique (reread Jiraya V Oro fight)

The fact that the skills and team work that Kakashi taught from where still used by all 3 students even in the Kayuga and NaruVSasu fights means that he's a superior teacher to Jiraya and possibly Oro too.

Kakashi was pretty smart to come up with abusing the kage bushin shit for Naruto, but just going to remind you that Itachi learned kage bushin by himself and started abusing it when he was still in the academy.

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Reminder that Kishi is a bitch for not giving Sakura slug sage mode and giving her a decent fight against Sasuke.

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I believe Sasuke, without the Mangekyo and its negative side effects, could have beaten Naruto in sage mode.

The problem is that Kishimoto doesn't know how to write an interesting fight without someone using a stupid overpowered cheat power.

BASED

That's a fucking joke. MS Sasuke with Susanoo would not be able to beat Sage Naruto.

After Naruto went toe to toe with pain?
Naruto was kage level and above most the people that shit stomped Sasuke until his power got dialed back.
They spouted he was kage level way to much around the sage mode training.

Naruto > Sauce most of pre ts
Sauce > Naruto most of post ts

Sasuke was right here. He should have slaughtered all of the Kage and become the Fuhrer Kage to unite all hidden villages as one.

>Learned the summoning Jutsu as a child
>Learned sage mode from Jiraiya's connections
>Learned Jiraiya's philosophy of working towards peace

Naruto has no skill at fighting. The only thing he's good at is overpowering his enemies.

Sasuke has a superior fighting style. You can tell at the end of Part 1 when Naruto and Sasuke fight.
Sasuke is technically weaker than Naruto (who cheats using the Kyuubi power), but ends up winning anyway because he's a better fighter

Sasuke had all the cooler techniques pre-timeskip too though

>most of ts
Sasuke was only stronger than Naruto up until Naruto got sage mode. Keep in mind that the War arc was significantly longer than any Shippuden arc and KM Naruto was vastly stronger than EMS Sasuke. Sasuke always has inferior chakra levels and strength, he only ever beat Naruto in the beginning of TS because he has more techniques up his sleeve.

that panel is so cool

He took on pain at full strength in a melee while in sage mode.

most based character of that shit series
And this was confirmed when they fought at the end.
Sasuke clapped Naruto without mecha, and Susanoo also clapped Kurama.
It wasn't until the sage mode kicked in that Naruto could fight back

Yeah. But He doesn't even have to hit Pain. His punch is so powerful it hits the entire area around his fist. What a hack, playing on easy mode much?

You underrate summit Sasuke.

Sage Naruto would fucking obliterate Sasuke. At this point he had both refined taijutsu (as shown when he destroyed the cloud ninjas) and incredible brute force (as shown when he threw giant rhinos in the sky and even the kyubi).

Kishi didn't let Naruto stomp Sauce there because it'd ruin the gay rivality too soon

Summit Sasuke's only hope to beat SM Naruto would be to spam Susanoo and hope to actually land a hit, but he's most likely get fucked at some point.

Nothing Naruto had could break Sasuke's Susanoo

Jiraiya couldn't teach Naruto how the fuck elemental chakra worked. What seems like a basic fundamental for any advanced ninja. That time skip was poorly planned.

Summit Sasuke kept getting blown the fuck out left and right and if it wasn't for that masochist girl with pink hair he would've died 5 minutes into the summit.

Even Danzo's Fuuton jutsu boosted by his summon could break Sasuke's Susanoo.

Sauce's Susanoo would shatter against a FRS or this.

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Nothing Sasuke had could break Naruto's infinite chakra and plot armor

Even if he did spam Susanoo, Naruto is significantly faster in Sage Mode and can just keep dodging him. That's the problem with any Naruto vs Sasuke fight besides early Shippuden. Naruto has significantly higher chakra reserves than Sasuke, so he can always win any war of attrition. That was remedied by Sasuke being able to absorb Naruto's chakra but he still fucking lost because Kishi is a hack. Sasuke had no business losing the last fight with Rinnegan.

Sauce knows how to manage his thots. That's true battle strength.

Well yeah but Sasuke also has hax on the Sharingan lets him see every moment in slow motion. Despite this he still got his ass handed to him by Rock Lee.

EMS means less chakra demand too. They're close enough that victory is contextual.

That's the cool part, really. Would be fun to see Sauce get btfo like that.

But it was shown that Naruto had gotten actually really good at taijutsu at this point.

Last fight Sauce barely used the Rinnegan, but on the other hand he somehow managed to keep up with Naruto at taijutsu despite him being a lot stronger.

Starting from MS, Sauce's best hope of winning is spamming MS bullshit. He could barely keep up with the Raikage, and a Sage Naruto clone beat the 3rd Raikage.

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>Jiraiya couldn't teach Naruto how the fuck elemental chakra worked.
user... Kishimoto had yet to make it up.

EMS Sauce could have a chance but MS Sauce should get clapped.

Yeah, Kishi fucked up once again. Sasuga bad writer.

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Sasuke SHOULD have gotten his ass kicked to make it more necessary to transplant Itachi's eyes as well as show Naruto was serious about dying with him and wasn't going to fuck around if he wouldn't back down. The entire Kage Summit arc was trash and made everyone involved except Kakashi, as usual, look retarded. Nothing about how Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura act makes any sense.

How many things is that Kishi fucked up with? I literally lost count years ago.

Sasuke is faster than you seem to remember.
youtube.com/watch?v=xY_9PB3Ywh0
Stop self incerting as narutard

EMS sauce would fuck up Sage Naruto but KM mode is the nail in the coffin.

You mean an ill Itachi who was pretty much trying his hardest to make Sasuke get the hint and he still couldn't grasp it.

cue 200 chapter flashback

AAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE

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SM Naruto's speed is way too underrated youtu.be/mOxFSd8zGBk?t=135
Keep in mind he did the blitz from a much bigger distance than Sauce did in your video. He also managed to keep up with the 3rd Raikage.

Sasuke should've been a girl.

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The Hashirama story flashback was unironically really kino and the last good Kishi writing we ever saw.

So everyone could call Naruto a cuck and insinuate that Orochimaru took Sasuko's virginity during the timeskip? No thank you.

>Naruto getting beaten up by a cute girl over and over
I will now read your manga.

Salad is a slut

BEJITA-SAMA PLEASE KISS MY WIFE

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Sakura desperately needed to at least tearfully punch the shit out of a nearly blind, tired Sasuke she SHOULD have been trained to at least fight long before that complete wanking bullshit at the hideout. Literally why the fuck was there no fight against a heavily handicapped Sasuke like even the games thought to? The entire fiasco is one of the most pathetic unsatisfying things in the entire manga and it should have been the second most anticipated one than the actual final fight, which was even WORSE and rushed as fuck.

Sasuke was shown to be a brilliant and insanely hard working person. Additionally he has the Sharingan which further helps him to learn.

>Sasuke training 24/7 to get strong enough to revolt against Orochimaru and also avenge the death of his family

He literally had nothing else to do than train. Oro was a master of research and jutsus.


Naruto goofy and slow in the head. Jiraiya is also a goofy person. I think both of them had some fun along their journey. It wasn't dead serious training 24/7. Narutos motivation wasn't nearly as strong as Sasukes at that point.

Sasuke with base speed is faster than normal Naruto.
Plus even when Naruto is faster, Sasuke can keep up because of the sharingan.
Naruto doesn't have as fast a reaction as Sasuke.
The Raikage was going to get killed because his speed exceeds his reaction time
youtu.be/4shwp7dACG4?t=379
So Sage mode vs Mangekyou Sharingan would have been a fair fight, not only Sasuke can do multiple shuriken tricks that the IQ of Narutard can't see, he can use surprise genjutsu to land sneaky attacks, and his Susanoo was mostly complete.
Not to forget no one can regenerate from black fire attacks, just a bit of fire and you have to remove that part of your body.
Lol but EMS is only to fix the inherent death of overusing MS. It doesn't make you any stronger.
EMS = MS, it only removes ninja aids

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>Sasuke can do multiple shuriken tricks that the IQ of Narutard can't see
made me laugh

>youtu.be/4shwp7dACG4?t=379
Kek the raikage literally didn't die here because it is a shonen magazine. Can't have the main character killing goodies, otherwise how can Naruto look good by letting Sasuke alive?
It would have been a good setup for a rematch with killer bee in the war arc.
Kishimoto lacks testicles to kill characters, he ran out of killing juice after killing Jiraiya and Itachi

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>Sasuke with base speed is faster than normal Naruto.
Fair enough.
>Plus even when Naruto is faster, Sasuke can keep up because of the sharingan.
I think he'd be overwhelmed. Sharingan helped Sasuke keep up with the 4th Raikage but only for a very brief period of time. He couldn't actually harm him. But most importantly, the issue here isn't that Naruto would overwhelm Sauce with his speed but that even one of his sage punches would be enough to badly harm him. He could oneshot Pain bodies with those.

>The Raikage was going to get killed because his speed exceeds his reaction time
He was gonna get killed because Sage Naruto had great reflexes and speed, allowing him to set up a counter.

>So Sage mode vs Mangekyou Sharingan would have been a fair fight
Maybe thanks to Amaterasu and Susano spamming (although the latter would only delay Sauce's demise). It probably wouldn't be too one-sided since Naruto would have to use his head to deal with those intelligently, but if Sauce tried to go taijutsu on him he'd get horribly rekt.

Also EMS improves the MS jutsus and diminishes the chakra use

That's kind of the point. Even if Kishi hadn't made it up yet, he could have Naruto know it already without ANOTHER fucking training arc. It was obnoxious. Naruto could have literately just said "I'll have to start using THAT then, even though I haven't mastered it". And maybe not in a way that was just "I made a BIGGER rasengan again".

But then maybe Naruto wouldn't have gotten his shit pushed in by Sasuke during the reunion and crumbled like a pathetic wimp.

Kishimoto can't write.

>becomes strong enough to compete with Itachi
stronger enough for a guy who was on death's bed and suicidal.

To be fair, Itachi used more MS jutsus in his fight against Sasuke than he did in part 1.

Realistically only like 5 ninja ever could beat a healthy Itachi aside from SoSP Naruto and Sasuke.

Doesn't matter if Sasuke had the EMS on the bridge or not because even if he did his techniques were all shit and half done because he just spams it until he's good at it. At that point Sasuke stood no chance against sage mode Naruto.

Cursed Mark Sasuke could beat Sage Naruto.

You mean the shit he doesn't bother to use because it's so worthless at that point?