The thing that most struck me most about this masterpiece is how the entire Chimera Ant arc felt like one long work of literature, like a 19th century baroque novel or a Shakespearean tragedy. It's rife with symbolism, irony, themes, and felt appropriately mature and tonally rich. Some of the passages spoken by the narrator were so beautiful and memorable (e.g. the humans in the sky line), and the narration served to create the feeling that I was reading some intricate tapestry of prose. I loved how tragic and anticlimactic the death of Meruem was, because it was richly meaningful in tandem with the themes presented by the arc; and it's because of this that I speak of him in the same way I do as Macbeth, or Oedipus, or John Milton's Lucifer. Some scenes, like the match-cut of the boots stomping on the insects between the Rose bomb used on human cities spoke to me on a visceral level, just as Classic Lit does.
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hiatus x hiatus lmao
the thing that stuck out the most to me was the hiatus
I hope it comes back this summer.
Yeah I don't really care but on another note, is it just me or is transmutation the shittiest nen type?
>enhancers have ooga booga big dick strength/speed/stamina
>emitters are the only nen users capable of truly efficient ranged fighting and can pack some serious firepower
>manipulators have to fulfill their win condition and then the fight is simply over
>conjurers can create an object with some broken special abilities that don't even need to be realistic
>specialists go from situational to complete bullshit
It seems like transmutation kind of got shafted. Only bungee gum is good and that's only because Hisoka is Togashi's pet.
What can transmutation do that you can't do better with other types?
Giving properties to aura -> conjuration does it better, you can just create the real thing AND actually separate it from your body as well
Ranged fighting -> emission is much better since the aura can be detached and sent elsewhere
You usually read that transmutation is the "most versatile" type but how is that true? The most versatile is either enhancement by virtue of giving you an all-round stat boost, or emission because it's more flexible overall. Manipulation and conjuration are the least versatile but also the most potentially broken.
Am I retarded or did Togashi not think this through?
This shit again.
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this but unironically.
Does nobody have an opinion on this?
To expand a bit there's also the body and object modification aspect as well but isn't that more of a manipulator thing than a transmuter thing? Bisky apparently uses transmutation for making her body look different but that doesn't make much sense when you think about it. Transmutation is about changing the properties of aura, not of matter (otherwise what Illumi used to transform into Gitarrackur during the exam would be a transmuter ability)
Try reading a book for once.
Biscuit doesn't know why her body turned youthful. Her masseur however turns aura into various lotions for training purposes as well as spa treatments via transmutation.
Also, Morel's entire thing is producing smoke-like aura and manipulating it so the versatility of transmutation is still seen in how other people use it as well. Same for Feitan whose Rising Sun converts Aura into a blazing sun that would kill anyone present. There are just fewer transmuters or abilities that utilize transmutation in the series. However, any time someone shapes their aura to look like anything that's also transmutation as well but just the more basic aspect of it.
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Hey Isaac Netero.
What I'm getting from your post is that transmutation is a good "support" type when used in conjunction with another nen type, but I maintain that as a standalone category it's pretty bad.
Morel's strength comes from manipulation, the smoke in itself isn't useful, it's the way he manipulates it that makes him strong.
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>is a good "support" type
No.
>Morel's strength comes from manipulation, the smoke in itself isn't useful, it's the way he manipulates it that makes him strong.
His manipulation allows his constructs to be great in many situations, but without that flexible medium to work with it wouldn't be as powerful an ability. On top of that his smoke rope and smoke cage were at the very least insanely resistant to physical attacks if not completely immune to them. That's a pretty strong capability for transmutation to accomplish.
Likewise, Pain Packer: Rising Sun is useless without transmutation because what is Feitan doing otherwise? Making a suit that protects against nothing? The main function of that ability is the sun that turns opponents into charcoal.
Silva, Genthru, Zeno, Hisoka, and Killua also show us how transmutation as a pure category can function. The first two keep explosives on hand all the time with varying degrees of destructive capabilities. Zeno has both transportation, offense, and AOE attacks covered. Hisoka already speaks for himself. And has a ranged and close quarters stun ability, and makes his reaction speed beyond super human.
There's nothing wrong with the category on it's own or mixed with other categories. Togashi just hasn't used it for many things. And in the current arc, stuff like Sale Sale's nen beast use transmutation as a vector to spread his influence and Tubeppa's beast uses it as well to create various chemicals which will hopefully be shown in the next batch to some degree.
Disusing other series is more interesting rather than talking about the same shit again for the 300th time.
what books even approach this?
I don't get why pathogen-like abilities would fall under transmutation instead of a mix of emission and manipulation
May 26, 2020.
Transmutation just lets the way in which an ability spreads be more variable. Morena has a pathogen ability but it's only communicable through swapping fluids one at a time up to 21 times. Sale-Sale's had the advantage of being able to affect multiple persons at any time with no limit and spreading like smoke means it can arguably ride on existing air currents since we see Rihan is able to blow it out of the way. Even with only a few meters in range, it would mean that vent systems could carry it to an adjacent room.
>lets the way in which an ability spreads be more variable.
How (or why rather) would it be more variable in that regard than an emission-based pathogen ability? We've seen that some emitted nen constructs could have very versatile behaviors.
>than an emission-based pathogen ability?
I mispoke somewhat. You still need emissions for 2 of the pathogen-type abilities seen in the current arc, the other being "how to get away with murder". Transmutation should still be used in the case of that ability as well because not only does the little ball have a distinct shape and form, I believe Sale-Sale and any other victim is injected with some aura that triggers some kind allergic reaction or cardiac arrest.
Emissions by itself means you are handling raw aura, this can still be used to spread disease-like abilities but transmutation is invaluable in giving it more forms to work with.
>transmutation is invaluable in giving it more forms to work with.
Can't this be done with manipulation? Isn't it what Knuckle does with Hakoware? I don't think he ever used transmutation, yet the emitted nen construct is very peculiar in its appearance and capabilities.
Transmutation is also the most boring type of nen
Most transmuter abilities are just lol bungee gum lol electricity
>Can't this be done with manipulation?
For a pathogen? Sure I suppose. He just puts his aura inside someone through contact and Hakoware is just a transmuted mascot that appears as a byproduct. Any time something made from aura takes on different shapes, textures, colors, or physical properties that's transmutation.
Biscuit teaches Gon and Killua the aura numbers things as lvl 1 transmutation practice.
>Hakoware is just a transmuted mascot
>Any time something made from aura takes on different shapes, textures, colors, or physical properties that's transmutation.
Is that explicitly stated anywhere? I know transmutation changes the shape, texture and property of aura but I was pretty sure you can also shape aura with manipulation
I agree, by being overly versatile they end up being bland
The most interesting and creative abilities are those that are very specific or situational
>I know transmutation changes the shape, texture and property of aura but I was pretty sure you can also shape aura with manipulation
Manipulation just covers controlling things. Changing the properties of aura is transmutation every time. Pretty sure this is stated by Wing but it's a recurring enough concept and I already mentioned how Biscuit shows this on Greed Island.
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Transmutation can be broken too, one example would be to envelope oneself in aura (Ten), change its propriety to 100% refract light and bam, invisible.
reflection*
Felt more like Asspulls x Asspulls but hey each to their own.
Not nearly as strong/busted compared to other nen types
Right, so transmutation is much more common than what I originally thought. Pretty much every hatsu that involves using something else than the user's own body would require some level of transmutation expertise
These types of thread really lowered my opinion of HxH. I went in expecting a masterpiece and got a good manga with unique concepts, but didn't age well enough and didn't fully explore its uniqueness.
I stopped at the end of Chimera Ants. It was okay, but I expected more. 7.5/10
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>Killua is a literal contract killer
>ripped a man's heart out of his chest with a smile and no hesitation
>yet he refuses to drink with Leorio because they're underage
sasuga togashi
Useless against other nen users though
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Only if you have a bad imagination, there's countless powerful combinations to come up with, bear in mind that transmutators aren't limited to changing the property of their aura into only one substance.
Also you would be blind lol
Did you forget that Killua is a transmuter or what? Zeno and Silva almost surely as well. Sure their training is a factor but still Killua should honestly be able to rape 99% of nen users with ease and if that's not the case it's only for plot convenience, and possibly it really is the case and it's just that we never got to see him use it in a real fight after the invasion. True we've not seen too many applications of the category but really the only limit is Togashi's imagination, you can say he didn't make the most of it yet but in theory you can do plenty of sick stuff with transmutation
I came up with a transmuter ability myself.
You know how Gon explained that ten(?) feels like a warm viscous substance around the body? Well the ability takes that experinece to the fullest and creates a slime aura around you. It behaves kind of like a mix of water and bungee gum. Less dense bungee gum basically.
Kind of looks like a yellow temperence from JJBA
He creates the clones with transmutation since the shape and color of the nen changes. Chain jail is also possibly transmutation since you cannot simply pass through it like with normal smoke, so he must have changed the properties of his nen
Clones are conjuration, according to Hisoka when he fought Kastro.
He also used manipulation to control it.
Chain jail is also conjuration, Kurapika uses emmision to emit forced zetsu on the vicrim
*smoky jail
>there's countless powerful combinations
Like what?
Not being able to detach the aura from your body is a drawback, and the real busted effects usually belong to conjured objects, not transmuted aura.
>Clones are conjuration
Morel's smoke constructs are explicitly made with Trasmutation, emissions, and manipulation. It's not real smoke nor conjured smoke, and it can change color and texture as seen in how his deep purple soldiers can mimick other people, and he can make his aura look like grass and other surfaces as well. On top of being able to stand on it as well as a makeshift raft.
Kastro's clone is conjuration, that doesn't mean that all nen constructs are conjuration. Goreinu and Razor use emission most likely for their nen beasts. The clones are not real solid objects like Kastro's clone, they're smoky aura and to change the color and form of aura you need transmutation. And I meant smoky jail not chain jail of course, my bad
What I'm saying is not that you can't do good things with transmutation, it's that anything you can do with it can be done better with other types, especially conjuration which IMO is the best type (excluding specialization) in terms of sheer potential applications. Conjurers basically create an object, substance or whatever and give it hax abilities, transmuters can only do a half-assed version of that.
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Elements and some substances are probably inherently transmutation for what we've seen, conjuration is just about real solid objects, with transmutation you still maintain the advantages of using pure aura with added properties, the hax abilities part can probably be achieved with other categories as well since you can set a certain supernatural condition with other categories for what we've seen, Knuckle can force you into Zetsu and has some crazy rules that prevent him from taking damage and he'd definitely not using conjuration, looks like you can just come up with arbitrary bullshit properties for your ability no matter the category, as long as you have enough aura and/of conditions
It seems easier to do with conjuration from what we've seen since the category is basically "the user creates a seemingly mundane object with a supernatural property", so by default the conjurer will have a special ability in most cases in addition to the basic utility the conjured object provides.
>conjuration is just about real solid objects
No, it's about matter. You can conjure fire, water or whatever. Transmutation is just changing aura to adopt the properties of something else, conjuration is about creating something, anything, out of aura but that will actually exist physically.
>transmuters can only do a half-assed version of that
That's an odd way of looking at it. Conjuration on it's own allows for objects to be created but the extra effects are usually the result of other categories. Kurapika's chains rely on Enhancement for healing, manipulation and emissions for judgement, most likely manipulation for chain jail, and manipulation again for dowsing.
Tranmuters are actually better off on their own since there category innately factors in diversity and variety. Emitters can do teleportation and nen bullets on their own with no other categories. Manipulators likewise have win buttons built in as a mono-category option. Enhancers don't need other categories either they just need to punch harder. Conjuration is very good, but requires the most integration of other categories to be worthwhile, and also carries a greater necessity for conditions in most cases to function.
For example; Genthru can just blow up anything by touching it and using Little Flower. Countdown is still more lethal since the explosion seems to come from inside which is basically unblockable, but countdown still requires way more rules and also has a more exploitable drawback. Little Flower is more combat practical since Genthru doesn't have to explain the ability, but Countdown is the deadlier explosion but better used covertly and as an extortion tool and still requires 3 people to work. There are tradeoffs to both approaches. Once word got out, Countdown became ineffective for the most part. While Little flower can actually be guarded against depending on the opponent.
Hunterchads are truly the greatest. Nothing rivals us. Fuck him for being a bitch and having such a long hiatus though.
Hmm, pretty lame. You could come up with something better that's not a knockoff of Hisoka's hatsu.
Did you take high school chemistry? That alone could give you a few dozen ideas, anyway I'm not going to list a bunch of examples, like my image said figure it out yourself. Also here's a list of transmuter hatsus that don't make use of emission while still being able to be used ranged: Bungee Gum, Nen Threads, Aura Arm, Dragon Head, Dragon Lance, Narukami.
No chapters this year either, hunterchads.
I'd say Kurapika is a special case, notably due to Emperor Time
Look at Shizuku, Kite or even Fun Fun Cloth as perfect examples of what I'm talking about. They conjure objects, but these objects have innate, strong abilities that aren't reliant on another category as far as we know. The objects' properties are exclusive to conjuration.
>there category innately factors in diversity and variety.
Does it?
Once you've chosen what kind of substance or matter your aura will emulate, there's really nothing much you can do. You are limited by the way you chose to define your aura.
I think we commonly think of transmutation as being very versatile because we only think of combat situations, but honestly what are the applications of Killua's electricity, Zeno's dragon, Silva's balls or whatever the fuck they are, etc outside of combat? Hisoka's gum is an exception here, and I guess you can make a case for Machi because strings are also pretty versatile. But since transmutation does nothing more than give you a certain type of matter or substance to play with, there's nothing very specific you can do with it. It's "versatile" because it's broad, but it lacks specific applications most of the time.
>Emitters can do teleportation
That alone makes it very good.
>Conjuration is very good, but requires the most integration of other categories to be worthwhile, and also carries a greater necessity for conditions in most cases to function.
You're right in that conjuration is inherently reliant on limitations in order to make the conjured object useful, but I'd say that's more of a strength than a weakness, since conjurers will most likely have a specific ability in mind they'd like their object to possess, and will work towards that with great efficiency by affixing a limitation on their powers.
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The chimera ants that got killed by Netero; were they on a food hunt, scout mission, finding the source of the smoke that covered the forest or just patrol duty?
>chemistry
You could make toxic "gases" or turn your aura into highly volatile matter but that's not as efficient as you're making it out to be. As shown with Feitan, you'd have to protect yourself from your own aura as well. What good does it do you to have an acid or magma aura if you're just going to inevitably fuck yourself up with it?
A transmutation hatsu has to be both threatening to the opponent while being safe for the user, and that's tricky as fuck.
HxH is shonen alright.