One Piece

haki was a mistake.

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One, Kiku needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine. Two, whenever Kiku’s not onscreen, all the other characters should be asking ‘Where’s Kiku?'”

This

It was way better before it.

I love One Piece and think it does a lot right, but it's got some glaring issues.
My biggest is probably that there's too much build up, and the action isn't even good. Few fights have engaged me with their art; Oda is just bad at showing the flow of a fight.
For every political story I've cared about, there's two that are boring.

No idea. I gave it a go and it was absolute shot

Haki ruined a lot of the charm of the devil fruit system for me.
>b-but logia
then don't make logia so fucking strong

>Why is it so bad?
Lots of reasons. I'd say the characters being mere carricatures is its worst offense. Of course, that Oda lacks any knowledge on visual perspective and anatomy (and that all female characters basically look the same but with different hair and clothes) doesn't help either.

>Whats the worst arc?
They're basically all the same.

>Lots of reasons
Go

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I gave you three already, arguably four. Can't you read? Here, I repeat:

1. Shallow tropical characters
2. The arcs being repetitive and formulaic
3. Shitty anatomy
4. Shitty perspective

How many more do you need?

>1. Shallow tropical characters
superficial take. many characters are really well developed with many facets. see white beard, black beard, Garp, katakuri, Law etc even among the straw hats, see robin and usopp at water 7/enies lobby
>2. The arcs being repetitive and formulaic
Most arcs aren't formulaic. The entire marine ford saga for example or Water 7/enies lobby or zou/whole cake. Only 3 arcs could be considered formulaic but even then only superficially.
>3. Shitty anatomy
All intentional, It's stylized, unique and expressive. female designs are probably the weakest but still some variety to be seen. whether you like it or not is subjective
>4. Shitty perspective
Again subjective also intentional

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>Oda lacks any knowledge on visual perspective and anatomy
No he doesn't, it's only because he knows it so well is why he can subvert it for great effect.

"dude you don't get it the art is SUPPOSED to be shitty!"

>because they want to milk it as long as they can

>many characters are really well developed with many facets.
Yes, you people always say that. But you never say why you think so. What do you think suffices to make for a non-shallow character?

>Most arcs aren't formulaic.
Yes, they are. New Island. Big bad is introduced. Luffy goes after him. Side cast gets minor villains to fight. Luffy loses or nearly loses to the boss. Side cast wins their fights. Luffy wins his fight. New Island. And so on.

>All intentional
Are you even trying? No, it's not intentional. Oda has never managed to draw one single pictute with a human being that's even close to being anatomically correct. And even if it was "intentionally bad", that doesn't excuse it.
>female designs are probably the weakest but still some variety to be seen.
No, there isn't. Aside from his fat females that look like his fat males, and female children that look like male children, there's exactly one female bodytype.

>Again subjective
Perspective is not "subjective". Good artists spend a lot of time on learning perspective and getting it right. Oda messes it up spectacular.
>also intentional
Oh, come on ...

>only because he knows it so well is why he can subvert it
Or, maybe, he doesn't know it at all? We're not talking about Picasso here. We're talking about a mangaka who's never in his life produced a drawing with correct anatomy. As for perspective, he sometimes gets it right, as everyone would. But most often it's a mess.

I find every one of the main characters unbearably annoying and unlikable

You're watching the anime

One Piece would be better as a monthly series. Change my mind.

I don't like reading Punk Hazard. The setting is real boring. Barely even use the fire half.

The anime sure as hell would be better seasonal

punk hazard
>started the run piece meme
>bodyswap gag is only good in the anime thanks to the voice acting but why would you ever watch the anime past alabasta
>law is an annoying faggot for all of the arc and you don't learn why until dressrosa
>the kids were stupid
>smoker and tashigi were just kinda there
>monet and vergo jobbed so hard that they fucking died
>introduced kinemon
it amazes me that people think dressrosa was worse because at least shit was happening in that arc. punk hazard was way shorter but felt like it was never going to fucking end.

It insists upon itself.

The characters have become caricatures of themselves. Except God Usopp. He is the only good character.

Yes, you people always say that. But you never say why you think so. What do you think suffices to make for a non-shallow character?
what sort of question is that? you want me write a thesis here. To make a character realistic, you make them spontaneous and contradictory. This is not what one piece is doing( for the most part). it's more in line with stuff like lord of the rings or the odyssey when it comes to characters. it's an epic. the characters aren't realistic but they aren't shallow either. They have their own motivations, desires, unique personality, feel the entire range of emotions and have their own flaws.
>Yes, they are. New Island. Big bad is introduced. Luffy goes after him. Side cast gets minor villains to fight. Luffy loses or nearly loses to the boss. Side cast wins their fights. Luffy wins his fight. New Island. And so on.
This is a common criticism but i don't get it, how do arcs like saobody, impel down, marine ford, punk hazard, zou, whole cake, etc follow this structure. Only arcs that really do are alabasta, skypea and dressrosa, and even then only superficially
>there's exactly one female body type.
Not really. he has improved in this regard with recent arcs like whole cake and the beast pirates. there are female fishmen and minks as well. not that it matters though, females aside, one piece has some of the most creative character designs in anything
>Oh, come on ...
Perspective is definitely Intentional. A good example is the panel with all the shichibukai lined up at marineford where they look like giants compared to the marines in the background. this is done to emphasize their significance. In many cases perspective is used to make things more or less imposing.

>visual perspective and anatomy
Let me guess you think artstyle you don't like means bad art

to be fucking fair there so much bad it's hard to pinpoint the worst, dressrosa, punk hazard, fishman island, all were trash tier
When people hated on skypiea was because you had kino like alabasta, water7 impel down, everything pre-grandline
And you also gotta remember that timeskip killed nami and robin and gave us nu-nami and robin, while not showing on screen all the hot sex zoro had with perona

Usopp is shit too now.

WCI

consider this:
old Nami, old anime Robin and perona makes my peepee hard
That makes it great, and 3rd of great 3, competing with fuckable rooster of naruto and bleach,

>what sort of question is that? you want me write a thesis here.
I just want you to give more reasons than "good characters because I say so".
>To make a character realistic, you make them spontaneous and contradictory.
What? No, you don't. Unless by "contradictory" you mean "conflicted". The former would mean that they behave in a grossly inconsistent manner.
>They have their own motivations, desires, unique personality, feel the entire range of emotions and have their own flaws.
motivations and desires are practically the same thing in this context, their personalities are not unique but very stereotypical when you compare them to very similar characters in other stories. And "feeling emotions" means nothing.
That leaves us with weaknesses and motivations. I don't consider that particularly deep or even just good writing.

>This is a common criticism but i don't get it
I have no idea why you don't, but I fear I can't explain more than I already did.
>and even then only superficially
Of course superficially. The whole formula is working on a superficial level.

>he has improved in this regard with recent arcs
I don't think so. But feel free to post examples.
>one piece has some of the most creative character designs in anything
I disagree. Over-the-top design is not the same as creative design.

>Perspective is definitely Intentional.
No, perspective is not intentional. Perspective is not a matter of debate. It either works or doesn't. When it doesn't work, it simply doesn't work. If something breaks perspective, it becomes a collage of different parts, not an organic scene. And with how often Oda messes up perspective, mostly to no effect at all, you cannot possibly claim that he's doing it intentionally.

No, retard. Look up some anatomy book for artists and some basic introduction into perspective, and maybe you will realize how essential those are for any artstyle. Oda is just a bad artist.

At least Punk Hazard has the Strawhats around. Dressrosa is a complete shitshow of characters nobody cares about.

don't really find one piece's overall story that compelling but saying that the arcs are formulaic is redundant and a moot point as every series ever is formulaic. the hero's journey is a staple of storytelling all over the world, you can break down any piece of media into the same description. don't use this as a reason why something is bad, be better and do better

>fuckable rooster
Please, user, I don't care for your sexual preferences in general, but please don't fuck a male chicken.

>as every series ever is formulaic
No, not every series is formulaic. The moment something becomes formulaic in its core, it should come to an end, lest it will get repetitive.

> the hero's journey is a staple of storytelling all over the world
No, it really isn't. It's a theory that tries to generalize what came before it, doesn't always get it right and instead forces certain rigid interpretations on those things. It is, however, a formula that has since been copied countless times, but not "all over the world", but only all over America. No other country gives a shit about that literal "Literary Theory for Dummies".

>How many more do you need?
But user! You must be baiting or just a dbz/myhero/hxh faggot who’s clearly jealous! There’s nothing wrong with my super smart super funny manga!!

There are many reasons but one I don't see mentioned often is the declining quality of world building. In pre-time skip arcs I always had a sense of wonder and excitement as the Straw Hats arrived at a new place. Whether it was Skypeia or Alabasta or Water 7 or Sabaody, they interacted with the local culture and its quirks with plenty of humorous moments accompanying the exploration. You even had this in "enclosed" places like Impel Down or Thriller Bark.

But after the time skip there isn't so much exploration as fighting fighting fighting. They're always meeting new people and getting separated from each other and indulging in flashbacks and fighting the villains. There are fewer opportunities to stop and take a moment to goof around. Dressrosa was an important arc with tons of characters and events happening, but it felt poorer for this lack of exploration.

it isn't

why do they look like that

Luffy acts more like an actual captain now compared to before and Nami actually gets a lot of good character moments in recent arcs she's been in, what you're talking about is true in a lot of cases but not for everyone
Usopp actually has become a caricature of himself after Oda backpedalled on him having become more "manly" at the start of the timeskip, he's now just a copy of the Buggy joke basically. Dunno why you're singling him out

Because it sells itself as a pirate series when in reality, it's just your typical battle shonen with powerlevels (in form of bounties) and magic bullshit.

Bounties aren't power levels and the series goes out of it's way to establish that, OP's fanbase are just retarded and don't get it though (I think Oda's even had to explain this in the question-and-answer columns he does, and people still don't get it regardless)

literally doesn't matter. the most powerful characters have the highest bounties.

Jump should give Oda an extra 5 pages a week at least. 25 pages instead of 18-20.

>Jump should give Oda an extra 5 pages a week at least.
Yeah, sure. Let them overwork their slave even more. I'm sure it'll be good for his health.

Holy based. Huntercucks BTFO.

It lost it's soul after the timeskip

It went from adventures to fan service

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>Huntercucks
Great work bringing up HxH out of nowhere, retard. Proves once again that OPfags can't argue their shit without hating on other manga.

>implying OP isn't one

You'll never be able to persuade people of this even though we've literally seen examples of bounties going up solely for characters getting more famous, they don't care

We've literally seen time and time again of characters being establish as strong because of their high bounties

>WOW LOOK AT THIS DUDE, LOOK HOW BIG HIS NUMBER IS

You're full of shit

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