HURR DECONSTRUCTION MEME
>Eva is GOAT because it's a deconstruction of Mecha!
>Cowboy Bebop is GOAT because it's a deconstruction of Senin
>Madoka Magica is GOAT because it's a deconstruction of Magical girls
>Hunter x Hunter is GOAT because it's a deconstruction of Shonen
>Onii Chi Chi is GOAT because it's a deconstruction of Hentai
>Kunosuba is GOAT because it's a deconstruction of isekai
WHEN WILL THIS MEME END?!
how the fuck is re zero a deconstruction
Brainlet: filtered
I just found a picture on Google. One Punch man is a parody, not a deconstruction.
>WHEN WILL THIS MEME END?!
You're keeping it alive by making this thread, faggot.
>>Onii Chi Chi is GOAT
onii chichi is fucking SHIT. The GOAT hentai is Bible Black. Don't you forget it.
you want the meme to end
you have to deconstruct the meme
What exactly is Re:Zero a deconstruction of? I mean, it was the first popular and widely acclaimed isekai but what it's actually deconstructing?
Shonen
Shonen? And why would it be a Shonen deconstruction? HxH is a Shonen deconstruction not Re:Zero.
>Yas Forumsnons replying to single buzzword baits
look at yourselves when you wonder why this board is shit
Is pic related a deconstruction?
Deconstruction doesn't mean shit. FFS Naruto had deconstruction of shonen at points.
THe buzzword doesn't mean shit.
>expecting autists and literal children to know the difference between deconstruction and parody
You're giving Yas Forumsnons too much credit.
It feels like Togashi watches what other writers do and incorporates a fixed version in his own writing.
Cell being the ultimate being = Meruem being the ultimate being and intelligent
Gon's Dark transformation = Supersaiyan/Kaikoen with repressions
Alluka = Dragonballs w/ consequences
Youpi = Parasyte's Gotou
Neteru's 100-Type Guanyin Bodhisattva = Sengoku's Daibutsu done right
etc
>deconstructing a demographic
today's IQ forecast is in the single digits.
stop with your meme spamming retard
It just so happens that a lot of masterpieces are deconstructions. It's probably due to the author being inspired, which leads him to both make a good story and play with a genre's rules.
That doesn't apply to everything you listed though, obviously. And you forgot one.
Anime is a deconstruction of entertainment
Entertainment is entertaining, but anime deconstructs the trope by being boring/repetitive or pretentious
Anime has become only fanservice now. Most shows don't even try to be good or artistic, they just try to be enjoyable and provide shitposting material to the community.
Haruhi 2009 tried to change that. It didn't work because the community was, and still is, retarded, so the show has to suck their dick in order to make money.
I fucking hate it too, OP.
'Deconstruction' is a meme TVTropes word, but even by its awful parameters Madoka isn't a deconstruction. In fact, the reason Madoka is so good is because it affirms mahou shoujo's core value of transcendent hope that surpasses all despair and suffering. It's more of a mythic text or cosmology of mahou shoujo than a deconstruction of it. It simply takes a more mature view on the nature of reality itself, and the inevitability of suffering. In this sense it gently *subverts* a generic feature of mahou shoujo—that the protagonists should easily understand the full scope of their desires and dreams—but even a typical mahou shoujo anime like Go! Princess Precure has characters suffering inner conflict over what they really want and the opportunity costs of pursuing their dream. Madoka simply raises the stakes and expands the scope.
But the word 'deconstruction' is useless anyway. Its usual definition—'What would happen if X occurred in real life?'—is poorly defined because its parameters are so inexact. Most obviously, Madoka is not realist on any level. How does anyone know what would 'really happen' if teenage girls could defeat monsters of despair with the power of their emotions? There is certainly very little psychological realism in Madoka either. By Rebellion Story, the characters have become mythic archetypes and almost none of the story occurs in tangible reality. Evangelion adds psychological realism to mecha but is not 'realist' in any other meaningful way. It's by no means obvious that anything that happens in Eva would necessarily occur in real life; much of it is actually completely fantastical. Haruhi, meanwhile, is just metatextual and relies on the audience's knowledge of tropes.
On the other hand, Re:Zero is an unexceptional isekai. I don't know why anyone would think that it depicts realistically what would occur if a person were transported into another world. It's no more of a 'deconstruction' than Log Horizon or countless other anime.
A lot of westerner's can't enjoy anything sincerely anymore
Hence the ''deconstruction'' meme spread like cancer among Anime fans
What is a deconstruction?
just a buzzword for subversion, or something that goes against what is expected
BOFURI is the GOAT because it's a deconstruction of VRMMO!
wat? Cowboy Bebop is Space Noir
Eva is mostly an overrated psychological thriller + big robots
Hunter x Hunter is stale
Konosuba is a gag novel/manga/anime set in a fantasy world
Konosuba isn't even a parody. MC still has a cheat even if he thinks it's a useless goddess, he gets unimaginable wealth from doing the cliche bring modern tech to fantasy land, his "luck" works whenever convenient.
when you start talking about other shows
this
quality thread
>Hunter x Hunter is stale
poor taste detected
The meme ended around 4 years ago.
How did the goat meme Bagan?
Why is it goat exactly?
Try watching the show without self-inserting as Subaru.
>How does anyone know what would 'really happen' if teenage girls could defeat monsters of despair with the power of their emotions? There is certainly very little psychological realism in Madoka either. By Rebellion Story, the characters have become mythic archetypes and almost none of the story occurs in tangible reality. Evangelion adds psychological realism to mecha but is not 'realist' in any other meaningful way
That's why I like seinen the most, they usually have realistic settings which really compliment the stories quite well. That's what lacks in anime imo, the most critical acclaimed series while trying to be introspective and psychological ultimately fail cause you can't take for serious settings like Eva or Madoka.
Just because something is original doesn't mean it's a deconstruction. Deconstruction is purposefully subverting expectations just to rub it in the face of the fans.
Is Bokurano good? It's been on my PTW list forever.
Deconstruction as a word went out of vogue this decade because its definition doesn't exactly fit what people are trying to describe when they use the word, leading to a lot of nonsense discussions and people picking up different interpretations of what deconstruction means as its definition gets warped beyond meaningful use. I think, that what people originally were trying to suggest by using the word deconstruction was to refer to stories that are more closely introspective of the core ideas of their genre. Even then I wouldn't classify all of the shows that are labelled deconstructions as fitting that definition, but I would say some shows like Madoka and Re:Zero do actually do this.
I'm glad that people are starting to understand why Madoka is a masterpiece at least, that post is generally fairly close to getting to the heart of it and I've started seeing posts in this vein more often.
Eva is good because of it's characters and their believable insecurities, not to mention the incredible art and VA work in the original Japanese dub of the show. The concepts of Evas, Adam and Lilith, Seele and the human instrumentality project are really great in theory, though the writing and direction falls flat at times, especially in the final quarter of the show. I just finished my third watch, this time with a friend who was seeing it for the first time and from his perspective Eva's ending was entirely unsatisfying, especially in the sense that Anno's presentation of Shinji's epiphany trivialized his own personal struggles with self-doubt. And I do agree somewhat that 25 and 26 could be boiled down to saying "get over it!" Last week we watched EoE together about a week after finishing the series, and unfortunately I could see he kind of wrote it off despite saying he liked the movie better than EoTV.
It's flawed, most shows are, but I'm still a fan.
>it's good cause it's self-aware!
Why do redditors hate sincerity so much?
ENTER REAL DECONSTRUCTION
That's a parody.
wrong
>Cowboy Bebop is GOAT because it's a deconstruction of Senin
2/10
made me reply
read the manga. the anime is notorious for deviating from the source material heavily and not in a good way. the director openly stated he hated how morose and depressing the manga was and changed it to his preference and the outcome is a very mediocre anime with ugly early 2000s GONZO CGI and a great OP.
why is bokurano a deoconstruction, isnt it just its own morbid manga?
A hyper-realistic take on a premise without making the base premise more realistic itself.
A deconstruction of say "Young Adventurers unite to kill the Demon Lord" wouldn't change the premise to something more 'real', but it would take that premise and play it realistically.
Depending on what kind of self-aware we're talking about said story could be entirely sincere, arguably even moreso.
Honestly, Evangelion and other deconstructions are liked because they are good, i enjoyed Madoka Magica, i like Evangelion, Cowboy Bepop is awesome, haven't seen Re:Zero because i don't care much for Isekai though i have read the Konosuba light novels and enjoyed them.
Those series just have something to them that many people enjoy, being a deconstruction is just something that happened.
That being said, deconstructions attract people who generally hate some genres, i swear a lot of people who like Evangelion LOATHE mecha series even if at times it feels like they only saw Evangelion and TTGL or something, and a lot of people who watched Madoka Magica were people who heard it was a dark series that wasn't like a normal magical girls show at all, meaning, people who aren't fans of magical girls to begin with.
It's an interesting thing, being a deconstruction but still keeping elements of the original means it can attract more people which may be part of the reason why more people are willing to watch or tolerate some bad parts over more standard entries in those genres.
It is a parody though, Saitama is only bored because he likes to fight and is too strong, but characters who aren't obsessed with fighting could be as strong and not care.
Besides, this isn't anything new, there is this little known anime called Tentai Senshi Sunred that was also a parody of superheroes which started even before the OPM webcomic, and Sunred was also an overpowered hero beating everyone with one attack that wishes to meet stronger enemies...not that OPM is a ripoff because both series have wildly different themes and sense of humor.
Unless you mean aspects like property damage, heroes being unable to beat Kaijus, bunkers being a thing, heroes having to sell themselves in a PR way in which case, yeah, i think some aspects of this were also on other shows.
Yup
Why watch anime for the realism? You have movies for that.
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>can't read
I broadly agree with you on the essentials and we're of the same mind on Madoka, but I don't like calling it a deconstruction because, although your definition is much better than the TVTropes one, the latter is much more common. This is usually what people describe as deconstruction, and it's just a really useless designation that can be molded to fit almost any anime with elements of realism. With that said, Madoka in particular is such a transparently anti-realist text that it's incredibly misleading for anyone who hears it described as a deconstruction and reads the TVTropes definition. As I said, I'd call it an attempt to create a mythic text or cosmology of mahou shoujo, which is the opposite of realism: myths aim to describe the everlasting nature of reality while realism grounds things in the mundane and everyday.
it's not
>Onii Chi Chi
Thanks, Didn't watch this one yet
That's a deconstruction of One Punch Man
>>Eva is GOAT because it's a deconstruction of Mecha!
This is something only newfags who've never seen any mecha shows say. Evangelion was mecha played as straight as the straight man in a three man Japanese gag.
>straight men
>in Eva
Wannabe normalfags don't want to appear as if they like 'kiddie' genres like mecha, mahou shoujo, battle shonen, etc. So they make a huge fuss about how MATURE their show is and how it savagely criticizes said genres. This is the type of faggotry that tvtropes has poisoned the well with.
Yeah I hear you on the deconstruction talk. And I don't begrudge the definition of the guy you quoted either, because it's really a good try, and one of many that the community has attempted to propose to try and give clarity to this word that maybe none of us really understand. I think the word deconstruction is beyond salvage at this point, unless another person brings it up first I don't bother using it.
But the way we interpret the show is a bit similar, a bit different, and that changes the way we view deconstruction too. To me, the point of Madoka was the way it stripped away every safety and good outcome from the concept of being a magical girl. It was done systematically on a level that I haven't seen from any other mahou shoujo, even taking care to make sure the characters couldn't say that they at least saved some people at the end, because that gets undone too. And that setup is core to what the show sets out to try and tell us, that hope itself has inherent value. It's the strongest statement I've seen on mahou shoujo and for me a deeply meaningful statement of the human condition.
Whenever I think of that interpretation a part of me thinks of the word deconstruction, even though I'm not sure how well the word would really apply. And I think maybe a few of those original people that used the word to describe Madoka must have felt something like that when they were trying to describe what they meant, even if they themselves didn't really understand it.
Reminder deconstructions don't exist and you're just an underagefag who started with Naruto and DBZ as a child
Native deconstruction is when MC is deconstructed too. Nonnative deconstruction is when MC is an nondeconstructed being in a deconstructed world.
I don't think most people who started watching anime with Naruto and especially DBZ are underage at this point.
of course, everything is a deconstruction on this brainrot board
>tfw like both a good pop song with a catchy melody and pretentious, abstract bullshit noise
I do actually like Revolution 9
SamFlam is a deconstruction of Japanese superhero fiction and what it means to be a hero and was also the AOTD.
eva is not a deconstruction of Mecha. EVA ARE NOT MECHA
That's what makes it so deconstructy
in order to deconstruct you must first have the construct, which is does not have fag.
They're basically giant robots.
it sets them up (or constructs) them to be mecha until it doesn't. btw they are giant robots and also mecha
Biomechs are still mechs. If you go too far that way you may start getting close to a fuzzy line of what constitutes mecha or not but Eva is firmly on the side of mecha with how the Evas are treated in the series.
It kind of does though.
Your immediate first perception of an Evangelion is that it's a giant mecha.
The reveal that they aren't deconstructs your perceived notion of what a mecha even is and what the ramifications are of letting a child make a wish