>So I was very upset when I saw Evangelion, because it was apparent to me that the people who made it weren't thinking at all about making fun for or gaining the sympathy of the audience. Instead they tried to convince the audience to admit that everybody is sick, practically in the middle of a nervous breakdown, all the time. I don't think you should show things like that to everybody. It's not entertainment for the masses--it's much more interested in admitting that we're all depressed nervous wrecks, I thought. It was a work that told people it was okay to be depressed, and it accepted the psychological state that said if you don't like the way the world works, then it's okay to just pick up a gun and attack someone. I don't think that's a real work of art. When people see that, they begin to realize they are the same way. I think that we should try to show people how to live healthier, fuller lives, to foster their identity as a part of their community, and to encourage them to work happily until they die. I can't accept any work that doesn't say that.
So I was very upset when I saw Evangelion...
>He says after he creates V-Gundam
>I think that we should try to show people how to live healthier, fuller lives, to foster their identity as a part of their community, and to encourage them to work happily until they die
it's not as good if you don't include the final sentence
>I can't accept any work that doesn't say that.
what a fucking cunt. there's nothing wrong with a show not being all happy go lucky, it's not like we're bombarded with those types of anime.
He never denied that Victory was shit.
Says the guy who wrote Victory Gundam, one of the most traumatizing and coldblooded mecha shows where all of the characters are emotional wrecks and 95% of the cast fucking dies.
>there's nothing wrong with a show not being all happy go lucky
Have you ever watched a Tomino show? It isn't "happy go lucky" he wants from a show, it's a positive moral.
Eva is, or is at least perceived as by most, a nihilistic story full of broken characters that never find peace.
I want to lick his mole.
NGE has a positive moral.
All of nihilism does.
Evangelion's final cast kill-off was terrifying where broken, mentally unstable people just explode into orange tang
Victory's final cast kill-off was a blaze of glory where all the old men sacrifice themselves for the future of the younger generation.
There's a difference.
Elaborate?
It's a sekai-kei tragedy and any psychological improvement Shinji goes through at the end is ultimately useless in stopping the end of the world.
Hack mad NGE totally owned him by exposing just what the kind of trash he's been making.
Everyone is coming out of nowhere attacking boku no Yoshiyuki Ojii-san and I for one will not have it
The movie admittedly comes across more bittersweet than the series' ending, but even in the case of the movie the implication seemed to me that if Shinji and Asuka could assert their individuality so could anyone else, with time. It's still ultimately life-affirming.
This is strange when Shinji and Amuro are the same fucking person
>absent father obsessed with work, no mother figure
>only constant companion is a piece of machinery
>pacifist, but sense of duty forces him to fight
>fellow pilot is tsun tsun for his pee pee
>commanding officer wildly varies between coddling him and telling him to man the fuck up
GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT AMURO
just like how it is for some in real life
The ending of Eva is meant to be a worst-case scenario that happens and is then overcome. Rei leaves instrumentality in Shinji's hands, and in the end he decides to take the first step to loving himself despite the world, people and communication still being painful. He rejects instrumentality and anyone else can also leave if they desire. It's a positive moral, especially compared to the very bleak scenario.
For years I thought gundam was just some happy cheery 70s childrens show but I watched everything from 0079 to cca and I have a hard time believing this series was meant to be aimed at children
I thought it was going to be a series where amuro and the gang beat the mustache-twirling saturday morning cartoon villain and high five eachother to some cheesy kindergarten moral message.
>it's real
gwern.net
What an absolute fucking madman
he's not wrong
>For years I thought gundam was just some happy cheery 70s childrens show
How new are you? Even people that haven't seen Gundam know about Tomino.
>Even people that haven't seen Gundam know about Tomino.
My only experience with tomino was overman king gainer
Based
Yes, but stories aren't real life: when you finish a story you will still be alive and so can use the knowledge gained from the story to better your own life. What Tomino is saying is that a story like Eva is giving people dangerous lessons in showing a desolate future for the reader.
All his gundams suck.
A lot of people are afraid of having potentially very real desolate futures. There is nothing wrong with making a story that resonates with the audience in that aspects. It should also be noted that no story is for everyone.
>Anno spergs out over Char's Counterattacj
It's weird to see mangaka absolutely gush over someone's work. I know it happens (e.g. One Piece was the reason Hori started drawing), but it's interesting to see even the most prolific ones have favourites.
Is the rest of the context that it's a comedy skit or an admission that he only watched Rebirth? Because the central thesis of Eva is none of the characters like how they are, they all get confronted with huge errors in their perspectives, and I know Tomino isn't retarded.
That is a nihilistic story. One where the entire world has to be destroyed for the enlightenment of one individual.
>It was a work that told people it was okay to be depressed, ... that it's okay to just pick up a gun and attack someone.
Tomino here is saying that a story that teaches purely individualist and selfish (read nihilist) lessons is not one that he can agree with.
Yet they're still better than EVA
Some of them. Dont forget he had part in reconguista.
>Nihilism has a positive message
Except all you do is use excessive amounts of hedonism and call it "positive" Every single time.
>Lol dude nothing matters in just gonna be a 400lb piece of shit everyone has to work around
>Hahaha fuck you I'll be dead in 10 years anyways
The only thing positive about you lot are your HIV blood tests you fucking faggots
/m/ kick you out, huh?
Stories don't have to always consider the macro level, and considering that it's more important that their themes are what the author wants to express. Eva isn't about making moral choices, and regardless, the world would have actually been fucked if Shinji didn't have instrumentality in his hands.
Hahahaha, holy shit it really is.
How can one man be this based?
Is this the guy who called out Shinkai? Based old man.
If I recall correctly, yeah. He criticized Shinkai and younger directors for writing romance that never turns sexual. I think Tomino said that it's unrealistic and unrelatable.
The world IS fucked user, for all we know only Shinji and Asuka managed to come back, and to what? A ruined wasteland where eerybody but them is dead, all that's in that future is starvation and eventually killing each other in mutual suicide or going crazy and killing each other in violent suicide
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How many Tomino images do you have?
Anyone can come back from Instrumentality of they want, user. And again, you are thinking about things that are outside of the point. Maybe these sort of stories aren't for you.
>animenewsnetwork.com
>He then went on to describe Shinkai's works as "stories about a boy and a girl who are always stretching out their hands towards each other," and said, "And yet the boy's hand never reaches the girl's crotch."
Tomino is one of the worst romance writer in existence.
>it's newtype autism, I don't have to explain shit, much less write a believable relationship
Brilliant.
You say this but Char and Haman are unironically one of my favorite pairings in anime.
>positive moral.
> moral.
garbage and dumped
He explained in an interview that many of his "romances" aren't much to do with real life romance because that isn't something he understands or cares about. He builds romances to reflect the true passions, morals and flaws of his characters.
If he were talking about things like Harem and Romantic Comedies then maybe he has a point but does he realize that sexual intercourse actually demeans a work? If they have sex it's little more than smut rather than seeing characters not only that a sexually active female ruins her market value, there's not a single harem in existence where they bump uglies and the girls are still popular society just doesn't want used goods like that.
Look at Tu-love-ru compared to say that Basura show from a while back one is still in demand and the other is completely gone
>Looking back at it now, | may have created her as a response to the types of girls in Miyazaki’s
movies.
fuck you tomino
I'd say that contradicts his criticisms of Shinkai like anime relationships, but Tomino is contradictions: the human being so whatever. Nobody should take what he says to others very seriously.
>not Ideon
Everyone in there had to deal with an actual apocalypse. Of course they were traumatised and not healthy human beings.
The man named "Tomino" is truly an enigma
hahahaha what the fuck is this
>i love this girl, but I just want to hold hands with her and eat ramen
This is what Abe was railing against this whole time
Gundam sucks. The only reason to watch it is to see how Anno improved it with Evangelion.
>contradicts
Tomino didn't once claim that he does romance better or compare his romance to Shinkai's romance.
He just criticized Shinkai and a lot of modern romance writers for writing romance that never turns sexual.
I've seen people argue against Tomino that sexuality rarely ever shows up in Gundam, but that's only for the anime series and due to Sunrise and Bandai's restrictions. Tomino writes about sex in his novels.
It's not really too much to ask that modern romance anime have at least some sexual undertones even if it isn't explicitly sex. A lot of this stuff is aimed at teenagers, but its overseas counterparts (romance movies aimed at teenagers) still explore sexual themes in romance.
Zambot
A better end of eva
That's actually really interesting when you think about it. In a lot of way Miyazaki girls definitely helped to promote waifu culture, Anno himself created an environment where pathetic losers argue over blue and red color without understanding Misato is best girl. Meanwhile, best Gundam girl discussion is a rarity, a lot of girls there are actually hated, like Reccoa Londe, who actually had a fairly realistic character arc for a woman character (except for that bit where she genocided a space colony).
No wonder Anno holds Tomino to such a high respect, he did what not him, not Miyazaki ever could, he showed lots of waifus grow old, get married and get children too one way or the other, Hathaway's trilogy is soon.