Vinland Saga

It sucks after the prologue

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Yep, the prologue is 10/10

Pacifist Thorfin sucks balls, boring ass shit.

farmland saga is the best arc. It was even better when it happened at the same time as the farmland arc in Vagabond.

Just like berserk :/

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When will you people ever learn that this kind of stuff is not watched for the plot but for the bara.

Sit back, turn of tour brain, and enjoy the muscles.

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Farmland saga is based, but too much of a tonal shift for most people.

You suck after the prologue

It sucks before the prologue too, average at best shounen shit. Most overhyped manga atm.

If I wanted to read a manga with pussy ass protag who "must not hurt anyone" then I'd read literraly any of 613268842 shounen mangas out there.

This seemed like nice kinda edgy seinen but it flopped. Same as Rising of the Cardbord Cutout Supporting Cast and Arifureta: From Promissing Concept to the World's Most Cliche.

>oh wow it's about a hardened solider who doesn't want to fight anymore, how interesting
>oh now he's dead
>now we follow angsty mcangst as he grumbles around and watch a bunch of shitty pirates do nothing meaningful for ten episodes
shit show

Would a manlet twink with dual wielding knifes that effective as he is in the manga?

True

The amount of room temp IQ in this thread is incredibly high even for Yas Forums's standards. VS is smart in its writting and setting, but since you guys are unable to focus on a story with more than one directive, i understand the frustration.

>Ylva had the best muscles.

any claim the VS was too smart for any audience died with the addition of shonen staples like the spear idiot and the character with perfectly valid grievances holding back their vengeance until the mc falls to the dark side once more.

filtered

Farmland was unironically peak VS but everything turned to shit once they went back to Iceland.

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We don't follow angsty mcangst, we follow Askeladd and his angry sidekick. Once angsty actually becomes the main character is when the story becomes shit.

It sucks even before the prologue. You've convinced yourself that it doesn't.

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What went wrong? (What went wrong?)

But farmland saga is the best part.

It sucks after Askeladd is gone. That's when I stopped caring.

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You all got so shit taste, farmland was the best part and everything after was way better then prologue, even tho that was very good aswell, you fuckers and ur shit taste make me sick

Wow your taste os fucking terrible, all of those shows had garbage premise.

It peaked at the end of farmland and it just went downhill after Thorfinn got flanderized instead of learning that he'll have to actually kill people to protect what was important to him.

O MY TRANNY SON

I could deal with Thorfinn using extreme pacifism as a means to deal with his repressed rage and feelings of guilty. Now dealing with Thorfinn Jesus using his peace-fu fist to render everyone and everything unable to fight is a tad too much for me in a series supposed to be aimed at adults.

Should have ended after Farmland. Do the
>you've got to make your own paradise
thing. The real Vinland was the crops we raised along the way.

>if you kill your enemies, they win

fuck off with this christcuck garbage

The only thing keeping this shitshow together is based Thorkell

But then i would have no based Sigurd.

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Rather disrespectful to write a story about a viking just to bitch about their culture and way of life. rich coming from a jap whose people were violent long after the vikings settled down. If I pick up a story about vikings I want viking not white buddhists. This just goes to show that Japan can't be trusted to make anything that isn't about them which is sad because I like their style of doing things a lot but they just refuse to respect anyone else. Just pc capeshit in the states and ONLY japanese things in japan which is usually fine but annoying when they do things like this.

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now it's trannyland saga
further evidence that people who unironically use the term christcuck know fuck all about Christianity

It as nothing to do with the tonal shift, even if we forget about the mc losing 100 iq there is still a serious drop in quality

At a good part of what made the manga good was askelad and nothing of interest replaced him

All the new character are terrible being either anoying sidekick or background character
Not only thorfin became fucking dumb (i"m mean jesus christ thorkell is smarter than him now) and he still has 0 charisma
Also the plot suck and make 0 sens in the world the author build
We also lost the political game of canute and now each time we see him it's for a parody of 9th grade essay on power

Also yes i didn't started this manga to see the mc act like a naive 5 year old and getting his ass kicked when he stuborly refuse to fight for real against psychokiller because muuhh morality

The last chapter was about a runaway transexual slave who also was the son/daughter of a tornado demon (who was also a shitty comic character) that everyone wanted to help after hearing the tragic story of her sexual identity
All of this still happening in a "realistic and violent viking world"
>you need a very high IQ

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That really depends on wich of the two testament you base your belief

What he said is not completly wrong for someone who only follow the new testament

If you choose to believe in only one testament you're not even a fucking Christian you're a heretic. That's not how it works. What he said is absolutely fucking wrong.

Well if they still follow the old one, the vatican base itself way more on the new testament and consider being able to not hate or fight your ennemy as an ideal
Also there is a lot of form of christianism so you'r not an heretic (but you'r neither a chatolic or a protestant) even if you choose to ignore a the old testament
it's an actual theologic debate wether the old testament is meant for the christians or not

I suppose you'r a protestant, i know you guys give a lot more importance too the old testament than us chatolics

Well I'm a Catholic and I'm pretty sure that taking only one testament is heresy.

I mean yeah thou shalt not kill but I'm pretty sure that killing in self-defense isn't prohibited either.

The idea of pacifism in the bible is different than our modern day equivalent. Killing someone in personal defense or defense of others is ok. You just can't hate them. If your actions are always in defense of yourself and others and there is no better alternative than God's fine with killing. Killing people "just" out of hatred and for revenge is not christian. Killing the same guy to stop him from doing it again and praying for his soul is very christian. Turn the other cheek means forgive not spare.

Luke 6:29 : If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them.
Exodus 21:24 :eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot

Both text often contradict each other so you often have to choose wich to follow

again one of many interpretation but a pretty good one

Why wasn't Floki the main antagonist? He's the one that set a hit on Thors. What was his actual motivation for that anyway?? I thought the jormung gang was over it officially.

The author forgot about that, please take more dumb runaway story and look thorfin friend is a coward ahahah so funny

Farmland was great but a lot of the stuff after it fall flat.

Does anyone even argues this?

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>a tornado demon
If you can't recognise basic metaphors you have no right to talk about IQ. I don't even like the current vinland arc but you're just retarded.

On Chpt 131 and its been super dull ever since the prologue. Does it get better?

People saying Asland is villain of the year but he but before episode 12 he's a joke, and he doesn't become good until the last 4 episodes, which doesn't really excuse a 20 episode long burn trying to reach a point where he's interesting, the author is a just a wannabe Miura without any capacity for subtley that makes this style of seinen good

who cares it's just a cultural rulebook, looking back on it and going "actually this is what it meant to say hundreds of years ago" is a complete waste of times when you could read actual philsophy of how do live the ideal life that's a million times more relevant, the betterment of Nietzsche and Aristotle that don't have to be constantly bombarded with excuses like "well actually you have to approach it with this understanding of the culture at the time" which if you're an historian but garbage for people looking for a way to live

also Spinoza, or moreover especially Spinoza

What a brainlet take. You have zero understanding of theology and you just unironically recommended Spinoza. Why should anyone take you seriously?

why would anyone listen to anyone else when we're already rooted in our own sides of the argument

Fine, I'll humor you. Thing is the Bible is more than a mere cultural rulebook. "you could read actual philsophy of how do live the ideal life that's a million times more relevant" yet that's what the Bible already has, it already contains philosophy on how to live life. Plus, I don't like the "million times more relevant". It give me "le current year" vibes.

>well actually you have to approach it with this understanding of the culture at the time
that excuse is used exclusively by libtards.

it's all about coping and ultimatley putting emphasis on the afterlife more than the current one, which just makes life hell for people actually trying to make this life work, it's slave morality, a refusal to take your life as your own and the idea of working towards something grand, not that something grand already exists

None of that is correct. While the afterlife is certainly something to consider greatly, the Bible also tells us how to live life properly and how to dedicate oneself to good deeds.
>just makes life hell for people actually trying to make this life work
converting made my life much better and gave me a better idea of how to live a good life.
>muh slave morality
this meme again. Yeah I'm sure NEETzsche was an übermensch, getting a mental breakdown over a horse getting beaten and everything.
>a refusal to take your life as your own and the idea of working towards something grand, not that something grand already exists
now you're just asserting shit. As if Christians had no drive to do anything great during their mortal lives on Earth.

F I l t e r e d

Why do Christians always bring up Nietzche going crazy, as if illness has anything to do with his mental character beforehand

>converting made my life much better
because you were weak and needed a crutch
>As if Christians had no drive to do anything great
The only time a Christian manages to ever do something great it is in going contrary to the core philosphy of Christianity, you can get around it and have it work out on both sides somewhat but your ultimatley tiptoeing around a falsehood, like Sebastião Rodrigues in Silence

>because you were weak and needed a crutch
Then by all means, finding any philosophy, not just religion, to find meaning in life, is implicative of weakness. You're weak too for clinging onto something in order to have a reason to live. Also, personal attacks aren't arguments.

>The only time a Christian manages to ever do something great it is in going contrary to the core philosphy of Christianity
Can you back up this statement at all? Do you even know what the core philosophy of Christianity even is? All you do is make assertions.

>tiptoeing around a falsehood, like Sebastião Rodrigues in Silence
Rodrigues only pretended to apostatize so he could save the Japanese Christians from persecution.

It's a doggy dog world

>Rodrigues only pretended to apostatize so he could save the Japanese Christians from persecution
it's all a big act, and it still took beating his head against a brick wall to figure out he could go about it in a different way, Christians are just putting on this grand act of what you're supposed to do instead of actually just doing it because they're entire focus is on something so arbitrary it drives them insane went put in a situation it's not meant to deal with, up until they find a 'solution' to it after the fact, it's literally them just making up shit as they go

Damn this is getting real annoying. Is making assertions and generalizations all you can do? Forget it, I'm done here.

Battle seinen