Should a mangaka prioritize what he wants to write or what the fans want him to write?

>Sometimes they have good ideas and stop bad ones, but the opposite can also happen.
The same goes for authors and for fans. Mangaka aren't some kind of perfect faultless being, neither are editors or fans.

If you want to see a mangaka with light editorial, look at how Samurai 8 is doing.

if fans are fans they're reading because of the mangaka's writing so they should prioritize their own

this
Dark Souls had the best formula
give the fans what they want then make your own ambitious shit, with at least a fallback when said shit doesn't work
if it works though the payoff is way better

Not every ideas is good. An author need outside opinion.

Wouldn't it be the same in both cases? At the end is the mangaka choice.

Yas Forums ain't full of retards

I sure am glad that Masamune Shirow keeps producing tons of oiled women porn, I really appreciate his artistic vision. Can you imagine a world where he kept drawing original sci-fi? Thank god he doesn't listen to his fans and editors. Truly the greatest timeline amirite?

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Disagreed. Fans know best and their opinions should at least be considered.

Pffft

for a recent example:
see going for a 4 win which was probably his decision since day 1(..or when Negi rolled the dice)
or
a 3 win to swim in even more dosh and secure a nice fandom for when he returns to make shit again

I wonder how good is the manga independent world is in Japan.

A good mangaka will always pick a good editor to help him out, is a team work at the end, 2 is always better than 1.

>Masamune Shirow
I mean, gits is alright, buts nothing to write home about.

Mangaka don't get to pick their editor.

You can't pick your editor.

Oshii really did make gold out of turd, huh.

Fuck fans, write your own story you damn faggot.
Imagine if every great writer took into consideration their fans feelings. There would be no originality, not something you could call truly your own.

An author shouldn't do exactly what his fans like.

However an author should see it as a benchmark to surpass.

He/she shouldn't pander brainlessly like a retard, but should also not be blind and actually change things up when fan rewrites are being much more explosive and preferred(the infamous rwby is the best example).

It's a hard line to toe but the ones who do become the most memorable.

I think a mangaka should have everything outlined before he starts writing

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Unironically this, you can write a great story while still considering the market and making sure it's financially successful, but I enjoy way more works that have the undiluted vision of the artist in them, even if its not as polished or as pretty as other better edited works.

>rwby
What happened there?
Doesn't really work because of the nature of serialization.

What he wants to write, always makes for better stories. And gotta listen to his editor too of course. Listening to your audience is generally not a good idea.
Care to elaborate? DaS felt like it pandered a bit to DeS fans with some references but not a lot.

Depends on where you publish it in the first place. Not every magazine is trying to squeeze blood out of stone like WSJ.

I agree 100%, MIA just wouldn't be the same if I didn't know how Riko felt when she pooped, and the toilet licked her asshole clean. As the toilet's slimy tounge licks her privates spotless, I'm really drawn into the setting, and I feel more connected with the characters. It would be impossible for me to truly feel the same sense of scale and adventure were I not presented with the incredibly compelling visual of a young girl being brought unknowingly into the world of sexual pleasure as her asshole is tenderly caressed and stimulated by the loving embrace of the toilet on which she is sat. Tsukushi's artistic vision is truly beautiful, what a masterpiece.

>watches the story with naked hangings, ozen lessons, half-amputations and exciting elevators
>complains about comfy poopchair

Alright, what magazines let you publish just like that and what works do they have to show for it? Genuinely curious.

The whole point is that art is an expression, not dictated by committees.

Artsy magazines like Garou didn't give a shit, I think. But I am not talking from experience here.

Of course you can, if you get an editor you don't like to work with you just move on to the next one, at the end it depends on who the mangaka wants to work with.

Who gives a fuck about what your fans want. They're not writers. It's your story not theirs or anyone else's.

Funny how this thread wad made after the recent Mashima interview
>When he was starting out with Rave, it almost faced cancellation due to sub-par reader surveys, so he was forced to get to the interesting parts of the story (i.e., the stuff with Haru's missing father and the intended final villain) much sooner. This had a huge influence in why he based FT's story around what he thought would be most interesting at each given moment.
>As a writer, he recommends that if you ever get stuck between writing what you want or what the readers want, always choose the reader, even if you prefer your way deep down; also, try to be as objective with your editor as possible.
>Mashima always reads everything in fan letters and Twitter, including criticism. However, he will never disregard his own gut feeling on what he feels he should and shouldn't write.
>He feels fortunate to be someone who's gotten to write both what he wants and what the readers want, which is a struggle for many artists.
>He used to clash with his editor over his personal desires for his manga, but since Fairy Tail is rooted heavily in pleasing the readers, he's made that his biggest motivator in writing stories.

i think the mangaka should write what he wants, however a truly talented mangaka is capable of adjusting the future episodes to appeal to the audience without changing the main idea of the story, only the execution should improve based on feedack

Depends on who knows better. In most cases, it's the readers. Just not the retarded ones like shippers.

I've read somewhere that most of the edge in a story was an idea of editor. Without him it would be more like Star Strings.

The most amusing thing is I've never touched any of his works because they all look like boring trash.

Do you have a source for that?

It depens on what the mangaka angle is, a mangaka looking to make his readers happy might want to check out what his readers are looking forward to.

Sorry, forgot. Saw the initial link somewhere on Yas Forums, so maybe someone else knows.

Should a mangaka change the ending/twists if the fans predict it?

>the readers know better than the person who created the word and the characters
What kind of entitled bullshit reasoning is this?

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yes

I know you think are making a point, but you aren't.

I mean, just look at starwars. Random authors know everything better than Lucas himself.

should a mangaka make multiple endings and call them all canon?

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No. Why should he? Do people really do this? Did people do this BEFORE the internet?

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>His zeal in the cause of our art was far greater than mine - it was as the burning sun to my taper light - mine was bounded by time, his stretched away to the boundless shores of eternity. I could live for manga, but he could die for it. The crown of genius is high, far beyond the reach of ordinary mortals, and yet happily no special greatness or aesthetic excellence is necessary to discern and in some measure appreciate a truly great artist. Cold, calculating and unsophisticated as most of us are, we are not wholly insensible to real greatness; and when we are brought in contact with a man of commanding ability, towering high and alone above the millions, free from all conventional fetters, true to his own artistic convictions, a "law unto himself," ready to suffer misconstruction, ignoring criticism and doubt for what he believes to be beautiful, we are compelled to do him homage.
- Naoki Urasawa on Togashi

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You need to balance. Prioritize what you want, but check what the fans want as well. If you only do what you want to do you will not get popular, but if you only do what the fans want you will end up with a mess because fans don't always know what they want.

What the fans want is almost always worse, because fans don't understand character arcs, proper storytelling or themes.
They just care about powerlevels.

If all the girls are good and fluffy like in Bokuben, then yes.

It can still be a good idea to use your fans for ideas, by taking from them any actually good ideas that they can come up with.

needs more Sawako

Shirow is legittimately broken, when you compare his ideas to what Pandora in the crimson shell actually is you see a man that lost his mind.