What went wrong with Fate?

>It has simply changed its focus from the protagonist to the servants
Except the servants in fgo aren't worth giving a shit about they're barely characters and it didn't merely shit the focus Gudao's problem isn't just a lack of focus it's that he is the ultimate cumulation of self insert bullshit. Plus the lore has just gotten plain retarded and all sorts of other assorted bullshit

Based

...why couldn't you use punctuation marks?

I hate Fateshit so fucking much. I almost regret finding the VN interesting on some level a decade ago or so.

The price of having that many god damn Servants in GO is that if you are interested in one of them, it can take a long fucking time for there to be more fluff about them after the initial introduction, either interludes or random lore drops from the random events that happen.

I remember reading it in like 2006 and dropping the VN during UBW I just can't understand the appeal it felt mediocre not even bad but just boring.

type moon jewing themselves out

Depends on the servants, some get focus on chapters and events. The Circe event in JP that just ended was pretty nice.

>they're barely characters
Depends on the servant, obviously some get more focus than others.

>some get focus on chapters and events
and yet they remain such shallow barely characters

I love Mashu's tits and ass

I still can't for the life of me understand why that knife Gil gave to Guda was effective on destroying Tiamat's RM.

It’s the opposite for me. After a while I simply couldn’t handle reading from Shirou’s pov and dropped the VN. His autism was too much for me. FGO can be frustrating with Mash hogging up a lot of time but there’s always at least 1-2 characters each chapter that are fun to have around.

Don't worry, I'm sure Nasu will post some complex reasoning on his blog at some point.

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Nature of being a gacha game necessitates a silent protagonist. Though they've been relaxing just how silent Guda is depending on the event.

Depends on the game though. Langrisser, even with how terrible it turned out to be, didn't have silent protags.

Who cares about VNs?

You can still inject some personality like in VNs. FGO just don't bother since the key point is rolling for cute girls anyway, so the player character don't matter and are just standard good guy and all round pleasant to the point of bland.

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Problem is personal compatibility is important for Servants, and having a solid personality would instantly render (you) incompatible with some of them. It's like how Shirou's an absolute worst match with a post-pubescent Gilgamesh. If Guda had a personality, they'd have no choice put to eventually deal with a Servant that they can't get alomg with, which would make rolling them awkward.

True, although you would think there would be enough heroes who can't get along with some fucker who just classifies as "a nice person". Yu is pretty close, I guess.

>, and having a solid personality would instantly render (you) incompatible with some of them
Having no personality should render (you) incompatible with a number of them as well

Outside of dialogue options, Guda's a complete blank slate. It's left primarily up to your imagination how they get along. Only solidified character trait is stubbornness and refusal to give up. Beyond that, there's nothing. Babylonia adaptation just took the most boring possible route is all.

Guda's personality is decided by the player. The entire point of a silent protag is to allow you to use your imagination.

>Guda's personality is decided by the player
No it fucking isn't you have to actual choices to do that retard in fgo you get two choices that are usually almost exactly the same

Honestly, I'd rather watch a blank self insert than an overrated faggot in a pretentious story like Shirou, Shirou fans thinking that he is a "GAR" and masterpiece of a characters only makes him even worse

>choices are usually divided between "serious, generic protagonist" and "silly comedic idiot"
>exactly the same

Babylonia would be way better if they based Guda off the second one.

>an overrated faggot in a pretentious story like Shirou

>he wants to become like the Kiritsugu he looked up to as a child, the problem is that wasn't the real Kiritsugu. He realizes he's chasing an impossible ideal in two of the routes, UBW and HF. He plows forward anyway in the former and in the latter he explicitly rejects it, but continues to pursue it
>really nice and gentle to everyone around him and really cherished his friends and let them take the spotlight despite him also having big dreams
>handyman
>brave
>live in a big-ass mansion from Raiga Fujimura
>genuinely nice guy
>hates alarm clocks
>having to let those kids die in Fate (big deal, since those are the people he wanted to save back in the fire), accepting that trying to save people is nearly impossible in UBW, or important people vs the rest in HF
>terrified of Sakura being involved with the HGW in Fate/UBW route
>he risk his life every night creating an artificial magical circuit out of his nervous system
>halfway point of HF is when he finally starts making decisions for himself instead of going with the flow and living in his step father's shadow.
>in Mind of Steel, adequately narrated by Kotomine as he supresses the urge to laugh maniacally as Shirou goes down the good ole misery and self-loathing route
>point of him choosing to save Sakura, a person he cared about, showed that he was transcending Kiritsugu's cold hearted way of thinking and moved onto something greater

How is Shirou pretentious? Did you get filtered?

>choices are usually divided between "serious, generic protagonist" and "silly comedic idiot
no not usually

here's your (you)

FATE is from Nasu, but it became popular and started selling millions, so its artistic values become worth nothing. The franchise had to be prostituted to the general public and they do not like complicated and deep plots.

Fate has always been an awful franchise, it's just more profitable now

Nasu is a hack and Grand/Order is literally making a game by copying and pasting what Nasu read from Wikipedia

Nothing wrong with fgo

I just want more Case files. If they improved the actual crime solving content, it would be max comfy.

>Nothing wrong with fgo
other than everything

The sequel title is "the Adventure of Lord El-Melloi II" so i think it wouldn't follow the murder mystery concept anymore

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>What went wrong with Fate?
It's decided to cater to casuals.

It's just everybody sucks Waver's dick the series at least judging by the anime

It's not like they just automatically suck his dick for no reason

Gary Stu's are bad thing user besides solving some murder mysteries doesn't really justify the amount of dick sucking he gets

>solving some murder mysteries
who suck his dick for this reason?

It was a VN, guaranteeing 95% of people would never touch it.

Then they let it become gachashit.

>Gary Stu
The only thing bad is people like you randomly parroting words you don't understand.

FGO is a peak of Typemoon and Babylonia is Avengers: Endgame of Fate. Discuss.

At least the Grailwank stops there.

>who suck his dick for this reason
that's just it genius there isn't a reason for everyone to be sucking his dick so hard
Case files sucks and adult Waver is a gary stu get over it

It's not like it's one of the best selling novel of all time, and even the butchered Deen adaptation got to sell more than 20k copies, which was a fucking lot for the time.
Think twice before writing.

>that's just it genius there isn't a reason for everyone to be sucking his dick so hard
That's not my question though. You said people sucked his dick because he solved some murder mysteries, i asked you who did so but you didn't give me any example for that.

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In short, the dagger is speculated to be "Gold of Intrusive Blade/Erosion" (侵刃黄金), an ancient mystic code that can seperate soul from the body. Its offical appearance is in Case Files Atlas Contract arc. Specifically, it was a tool implied to be given to Gray's village by Morgan Le Fay to facilitate the ritual of reviving Artoria. As the physical vassal of King of Knight, Gray was supposed to be stabbed by this dagger to have her soul removed from the flesh for the arrival of Artoria's spirit. (Basically emptying a cup so you can pour wine into it). In the novel, the blade is described to have a golden exterior and curved blade, which seem similar to the visual we have in the anime.
Of course this is still an assumption anyway.

>You said people sucked his dick because he solved some murder mysteries
No I didn't I was just saying that wasn't enough to justify it

They managed to take her down just fine without the knife in the game, in the exact same setting. I get the thing's functionality, but why was it needed in the first place?

but unless i misunderstood it, you said so in your earlier post
>besides solving some murder mysteries doesn't really justify the amount of dick sucking he gets
like ??? who suck his dick just because he's able to solve some mystery cases? the main cast all met Waver before Case Files' starting point and their first meeting didn't involve any murder case

>but unless i misunderstood it
you did