Well actually the MC is a super special snowflake with a unique and powerful lineage!

>Well actually the MC is a super special snowflake with a unique and powerful lineage!
Why does pretty much every Shonen do this?

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Because it reflects what happens to the mangaka: they think they became successful through hard work, then find out from an ancestry test that they are really from a lost bloodline of super proficient mangaka.

maybe they're trying to undermine the whole "work hard and you'll achieve your dreams!" message that shounen always have with the "dose of reality" schtick, probably to appease and bring in more cynical viewers. It's so stupid.

Most heroes of forever have been special snowflakes. Making heroes "normal" is a newer age contrarian pleb stuff. Writers of shonen manga like to make heroes "relatable" to grant the wish of kids and losers to be special.

This is actually rather explicit in the bleach universe. Soul reapers are just wholes that are destined to be better at reitsu manipulation which is why they so unsubtly have red reriyoku. Literally every soul reaper is a gary stu. That said bleach isn't meant to be taken literally and Ichigo's 4 powers parallel the cycle of grief in eastern storytelling cuz people forget but the story IS about death after all.

Asta isn't unique.

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This.
Look at any famous mythological hero, is there many peasant among them? Most of them were half-gods or royals or at the very best their origins are mysterious and they are just found and raised by a poor family.

Not every shounen.

Because it's an easy out that doesn't need overarching points of development over the course of the run. You just need to blurt it out once and somehow that flies.

This is perfectly fine as long as the writer doesn't try to throw in the hard work narrative for the protagonist like in Naruto and BNHA

Isn't it usually revealed that they are extraordinary from the get go along with their lineage?

Isn't this motif as old as Gilgamesh or older

He is the only human without mana, so he is unique

Was Ash the last true Shonen MC that actually worked hard and earned everything he got?

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Eren, Ed and Gon aren't part of that troupe. And they are Shonen MCs too

Who's gonna tell him?

David ethered Goliath with a fucking rock

Kenichi
Tsukune
Mc in Veritas
Arguably mc in The Breaker
Mc in World Trigger

O MY SLING GUIDED BY GOD'S WILL

Agni earned everything he got alright.

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Fuck you, faggot, I want my heroes to become that by working for it because it's more cathartic to watch it pay off.

To be fair, the queen of witches put it pretty bluntly. Asta is special because he isn't special.

I don't know what happened when El Hermano was introduced, but Soma is said to have no talent for cooking. He just refuses to give up and really hates losing.

>a fucking rock
Don't underestimate how much damage a sling could do in the bronze and iron ages. The Romans hired slingers from the Baeleric islands for how deadly they could be. It was generally a shepherd's weapon (they'd sling rocks in front of the feet of their sheep if they threatened to run away from the herd), but taking a rock to the face means you're not going to have a good time.

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Because hard work being enough to get anywhere in life is a fairy tale that not even the ones who tell it can really belief.

Shounen mangakas cant write for shit, so they always rely on crutches. Special upbringing is just one of many.

Raw strength and skill are completely different from status.

For me it's
BECAUSE HE WAS BORN IN THIS WORLD

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Because it's a good reason for them to be the protagonist. There's nothing wrong with it so long as they don't try to push some "hard work vs talent" motif and pretend like the MC didn't get power handed to him.

>demon, anti magic in a world of magic with otherwordly stamina and power
he is literally the gon of asspull hacks

>KnY pulls a bait and switch making you think he's the special chosen only to be the son of a literal coal burner and giving the "chosen one" powerup to everyone
any other series do that?

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The ones that don't are cancelled by Jump.

Isn't Gon's whole thing that he's a special kid born with a lot of potential and a natural affinity for nen because of Ging an the mystery of his birth?

>Ed and Gon
Special dads and bloodline.
>Eren
Ok, he can pass.

>the last Xerxian and the son of one of the most powerful Hunters
>not a special bloodline
lol

what are you talking about you bumbling retard his dad knows the shimmy goo gaa gaa great dance of the fire king

>being taught a special technique == special lineage
lineage, besides being actual lineage, implies a powerup not just knowledge

If only there was a manga like that.

Wrong, AND dumb.

fantastic argument

He only learned that technique because of his lineage

Ippo. His retard strength, sturdy body and punching power comes from a childhood of hard labor with his family business. Despite having a coach that taught him how to block punches with his face, he became Japanese champion and worked for everything he got through pure hard work and repetition,since he not only has zero sense for boxing, he literally has to learn everything first hand and doesn't have a natural aptitude for all sports like Aoki and Takamura, comes from a background of being a thug like Takaokimura, not have honed instincts like Sendo or Vorg, or natural ace like Itagaki, Miyata, Vorg or Takamura.

it's still a technique not a powerup
in comparison it'd be like anyone in SnK being able to become a founding titan but eren's father just teaching him a certain one

or naruto being taught the shadow clones without having the special chakra reserves from his mother

And then he died.

>And then he died.

It's exactly because there's nothing more to Ippo than him having a body and boxing style built in hardwork and guts that he's a 3 time loser. Someone with talent, instincts, boxing sense or background as a brawler would have been so lacking in motivation that he'd lose on the big stage.

David literally had help from God, user.

Because special people are more interesting to read about
>muh average person
>muh hard work
are both boring shit, stop trying to self insert

Ash is an immortal so he doesn't count.

So a benefit he got thanks to his lineage. Concession accepted

>Concession accepted
Stop acting like a splurge user it's nowhere near comparable.

It's just a pale copy and nowhere near the level of the original
Tangerine didn't even go full circle yet

This. Up until the middle ages people used slings more commonly for long-distant warfare then the bow and arrow.

Aren't the Hackerman a special bloodline too ?

What does it mean to have a powerful lineage? Like for Naruto it's explicit that the chakra he inherited from his mother gave him large reserves and greater control over the Kyuubi.

But let's just say you're the son/daughter of a famous warrior but before that your ancestry was just peasantry. Your parent only made a renown name because they were daring and had guts but beyond that they had no influence for your rise. Sure you can say it's maybe genetics but I feel that's a cope at times for butthurt losers.

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It has to have some impact on the character's abilities. Like naruto, gon, but not Ichigo, Goku, or Tanjiro. Hell I'd argue even Vegeta doesn't get any lineage power ups. He's strong from his own actions

Ippo's biggest problem is that he only ever wanted to see how far the coach's training could take him. He never really had a drive to win.

Why no one has pointed this out to him, that you need to WANT to be a winner to make it to the top, boggles the mind.

More confusing is for how fucking long we're going to be doing something before he either dies or decides to go back into boxing one more time. I think when it is all said and done it will fit better, but going through this is a slog.

For Gon was it ever made clear that it was Ging's genetics that made him so naturally talented to Nen? Because Gon grew up on a bumfuck island and he would have died there, as a weakling, if he wasn't so motivated to find his father. While his lineage may have played a role it's only because he put himself out there that he got so strong to begin with.
Vegeta definitely isn't strong because of his father, iirc he was already more powerful than him as a child.

>For Gon was it ever made clear that it was Ging's genetics that made him so naturally talented to Nen? Because Gon grew up on a bumfuck island and he would have died there, as a weakling, if he wasn't so motivated to find his father. While his lineage may have played a role it's only because he put himself out there that he got so strong to begin with.
From what the fanbase has screamed repeatedly about the gon-san power up it was only possible because he had a huge amount of innate nen "potential" that he sacrificed.

And yeah he just ran around the forest as a kid and never actually trained but managed to out run a bunch of grown men in the hunter exam.

>Hell I'd argue even Vegeta doesn't get any lineage power ups. He's strong from his own actions

And I that would be a pretty weak argument, since not only was Vegeta born with a high power level, even outpacing his father as a child, but Toriyama has noted that Vegs is not only special among the elite Saiyans, he's special in that he's capable of thinking and feeling like the humans, as royalty, unlike lower-class Saiyans like Goku, Raditz and now Broly. By comparison, Goku is nothing special, as a Saiyan a literally brute-forced his legendary Super Saiyan transformations, due too many zenkais on top of a massive mental trauma of watching his friend die. His attitude if always training for the sake of training and testing his limits is a by-product of literal brains damage.

at what point does that benefit for vegeta become irrelevant though?

It's subliminal messaging to teach the readers that most people are just easily replacable cogs in the machine known as society. The protagonist of real life does not sit home and read and fantisize about the achievements of fictional people. He's out achieving things himself.

Denji isn't unique. He got (un)lucky by befriending someone unique. Overall he's just a youth that was at first forsaken by the government and left behind by society and now another tool for international power struggles.
So now he has to suffer, like everyone else with his occupation.

>the power of his real Bankai is literally the ability to deny the future and beat you despite the odds

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