Why did they make Illya such a creepy, crazy bitch in these movies? She's nothing like that

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Really at the end of the day the einzburns have a lot to answer for, everything wrong by the final holy grail war is basically their fault in some way, up to and including the very objective of the ritual being tainted and useless.

>ywn be Illya's doll

Yeah, the Einzberns deserve all the shit they get
Who is even at the head of family at the time of the fifth Grail War?

>Gil.
>chad
he's the most simp jobber out there.

I assume you came from Prisma Illya. If you did the difference is that Illya Prisma grew up a normal life with a apparently normal family in a normal environment, Illya from S/N grew up without her parents with the Einzberns feeding her hate about how her father betrayed them and made into a sort of weapon to control a servant.

Most of the bad ends come from her especially the worse than death ones.

Prisma Illya is the setting timeline split where Kiritsugu noped the fuck out of the previous holy grail war to protect his family.
all things considered in the main timeline he kinda fucked up, but I think he knew that as he was digging through the rubble desperate for someone, anyone, to have survived his blunder.

>Most of the bad ends come from her
No, most bad ends are actually caused by Caster.

>There's also a bad end in the Fate route where she forces Shirou to remain conscious after being dismembered by Berserker. Then she takes his head to the castle as a souvenir/toy lol

IIRC that is the one where you refuse to be a master and have the command seals removed and while going home Shirou get sliced in half by Herk, then Shirou tries to reason with her about how he's no longer a master and she replies something along the lines of "yes and?" and he realizes she is completely insane and there's no reasoning with her.

>my daddy didnt like me :(
>i now hate everyone :(
>im a meanie now :(

>Most of the bad ends come from her especially the worse than death ones.
What's worse than death for them?

your skimming over a decade of horrific abuse and magical experimentation to turn her into the perfect Master and Vessel.
The einzburns might as well have been keeping her outside in a dog kennel in the middle of winter trying to force her to summon berserker ahead of time, which is also the next problem, they forced her to summon a servant before the grail was around to pick up the slack on that which wasn't exactly great for her.

So instead of killing the people who fucking torture her she instead is a fucking bitch and hurts another people?

What a bitch. Gil did nothing wrong in offing her.

She legitimately doesn't understand that she's doing bad things, this is the level we're talking about, why do you think hurting people is bad? because society and your parents have been telling you that since day 1, by the time of fate she's pretty messed up and part of Shirou's interactions with her is being the only guy she'll listen to when he says something isn't right because he's the beloved older brother she craves attention from.
basically it's her asshole maternal families fault, like just about everything else in the grail war.

>hurting people is bad? because society

I have empathy, which is literally basic skills that humans have, oh wait I forgot she isnt a human.

She's a magus.

Enough said.

I want spin-off secondaries out.

We still don't know what exactly went on on that war, I've seen people saying Kerry just became some sort of ultra badass that killed everyone in the war but never explained how he got the knowledge to keep Iris alive and provide her, the maids and Illya with a normal lifespan with them being homonculus.

I totally forgot about her, she had a lot of them even in parts where she barely appeared.

Being kept alive as a head while being tortured, being turned into a doll with no will, being shoved into every curse upon mankind among others.

I imagine Jubstacheit unless he died offscreen of old age between Zero and Stay Night.

>Who is even at the head of family at the time of the fifth Grail War?
Illya, she states it during the Saber vs Herk at the woods:
>"…And besides, I'm the one that should be asking you.
I'm the head of Einzbern, so I won't repeat my words… but I can still listen if you're going to give me a different reply…?"

That line is straight from the VN.

What are you talking about? She's perfect.

She's never been sexier, you mong.

If you behead Saber she would disappear. How is Berserker supposed to rape her?

I miss batfuck insane Ilya

Somehow there had to be a yandere.

Yandere ≠ Any crazy bitch
You reprobate

She's a fucking gremlin is what she is. Gil was actually right in putting that bitch down.

So I heard years ago there was a leak about what the Illya route would have been like but I never found anything about it. Anyone here know what it may have been like?

She's literally always like that in FSN and HA. Your perception has been distorted by lolifuckers and side material

>mind controls him
That's not what Illya's family does. She puts your soul/sentience into inanimate objects and is what she does to shirou in bad end.

Fate Illya is a crazy bitch, possessive and so broken and corrupted, no more than Sakura, she's really screwed. Then, we got Illya-chan who is pure and benevolent to his onii-chan.

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From what I got she would bring shirou into the castle, that part where she is sitting in his lap was the start of the sex scene where she would bring the 2 maids and either there would be a foursome with Liz titfucking Shirou or he would just bang the maids in that scene and Illya would be later on. Many parts of HF come ffrom the discarded Illya route so I believe that the bring illya back, nine lives work, lorelei and her sacrifice at the end are from the illya route.

I want to see a route where S/N Illya summons Prillya as a servant, S/N Illya would go insane after knowing that Prillya had the life that she wanted.

Lol ur dumb

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She wasn't really like that. She just wanted to be loved.

Imagine being this much of a secondary.

sitonai in Fate Go really is a shame. She's supposed to be FSN Illya but they gave her Prillya's personality instead of letting the two Illya get a chance to have their personalities bounce off of each other.

All of the characters are pretty consistent across all adaptations. That's all I have to say about that.

Don't need to be so angry and lie about ilya just cause prisma ilya came first

Nah, she just happens to be Kiritsugu's child and inherited his innate ability to murder without empathy in the moment.

>Hey, we're building the holy grail now, let's use Das Reingold, the cursed hoard of Fafnir who corrupted heroes and kings, as a base for the grail. What could go wrong?

Those dumbasses deserved everything that happened to them.

>Then, we got Illya-chan who is pure and benevolent to his onii-chan.
Also a prostitute.

Das Reingold was a fine catalyst, there was nothing wrong with the grail until the dumbass Einzbern CHEATED by secretly changing the rules again by making a new servant class possible so they can summon Angra.

Acht still runs shit in the background, yeah.

Sitonai is waifu-softened OG Illya, but she doesn't crush on (You) like she does Shirou. That takes away a lot of the crazy, since the Lothi/Crazy Loli Bitch Illya side is suppressed. She still has a pretty great line about wanting to rip out Gilgilman's heart and show it to him.

I think GO has a moment where Sigurd shits on the Einzbern family for using Das Reingold. Because that's how BL figured out FSN made reference to it over a decade earlier.

Empathy is gay, user. Grow a dick

can we get some doujins of that

It's fun

>I have empathy, which is literally basic skills that humans have,

Empathy is not something that humans naturally have. It needs to be engraved into your brain by years, even decades of conditioning. That is why psychopathy is not even diagnosed until a person is in his twenties. Psychopathy is just a failure of that conditioning to take root by the time a person is old enough to do real damage to others.

Illya, if anything, is far too stable and too empathetic for a teen given tremendous power with no real oversight.

>t. prisma shitter