Is mangaka using 3D models cheating?

Fuck no.
Oku's hackery is obvious as fuck.

Nah, I'm not talking about him. He's at least drawing something (he does at least a bit, right?), and I don't think he even bothers trying to hide his CG shit.
I think the guy I'm talking about has one series translated by CR, I'll see if I can find it.

>caring about the end product when you'll only glance at it for a second.
Priorities my man.

It was Murder Incarnation.

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>caring about the end product when you'll only chew it for a second.
Here's your steak, sir.

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>literally eating a steak right now while posting in this thread.
WHAT THE FUCK! How did you know?

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I don't know why but i always had a feeling that Koe de Oshigoto was 3D traced

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>Cheating in art
Such a thing doesn't exist you retarded mongrel. Its all just different tools and techniques. Even the old masters used traced a bunch of shit.

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Only amateurs draw from imagination. All pros use reference, whether it's 3D models, live models, mannequins, tracing etc. etc.

I think the "cheating in art" comes form people who were abused as children and now have some sort of complex.
>guy created a new work by tracing and this subracts from the value of the universe somehow

If something doesn't make sense assume mental illness or malice.

Looks moar like he's referencing

Why the fuck would you need a reference for such a simple pose?

soulless

I came here to post this. OP is as always a retarded faggot
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The expressions are soulless. You'd hope they'd spend time on that given that they have something reusable.

I really only take issue when people blatantly copy and try to pass it off as their own for their own purposes

it subtracts from the work because the worth of an artist's work is determined partly by how much he suffered for it

Hunter x Hunter once again confirmed to be the best manga ever.

t. unsuccessful artist

Better safe than sorry?

the worth of an artist's work in this case is based on how well he portrays what's necessary for the story. the composition, the pacing, the ahegaos, it's all important.

>the model is literally a body
>mangaka is showing heavy skill with clothing
op no baka

it's just a fact of how we perceive things, it's why a cel animation feels more precious or why a solid stone statue is more impressive
every step of the process of creating is part of the art and you see it in the finished product, and the traces of craftsmanship inform your judgement
practically you can say the work becomes infused with a piece of the artist's soul the more time and effort he spent on it
that's why I said partly

>cheating
What's he cheating at?
I mean, even 2D mecha anime as far back as the early 90s is traced over 3D/CGI to keep things on model.

the reference is less on pose and more on positioning within the 3d space. I imagine they're going for quicker consistency so they have an entire 3d layout that's just X's room. Put in the room's model, figure out the shot, then put in the model.

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>I think the "cheating in art" comes form people who were abused as children and now have some sort of complex.
That's retarded. It's more like a lot of people (those that don't draw generally) tend to judge art by the perceived amount of effort taken in drawing and thus dislike "shortcuts" because they lessen their perceived value of the drawing.

Not sure about cheating but i think it's ugly when a mangaka slaps a filter on a photograph and calls it a day like the "innocent" or "punpun" authors.

>tend to judge art by the perceived amount of effort taken in drawing
Judge away, have fun?
No one else cares about your opinion on it?
Art is functional, the only thing that matters is the idea it conveys to the reader. Whatever process happens in the background is only relevant in educational purpose for people wanting to learn the process for their own use.

Being a professional artist makes you realise that drawing totally from imagination without reference only services your ego and wastes time. You should use as much tools to improve productivity as possible. At the end of the day no one sees the hard work and effort you put into your work. They just quickly gloss over it for a second or two before moving on.

Or they can tell different techniques apart, and cutting corners results in less expressive, more samey and uglier art.

I wasn't talking about myself, you don't need to be snarky. I agree with you that the end result is more important and process can be interesting, but is largely only important to how it effects the end result.

I don't think it necessarily applies to manga, but part of appreciating a piece of art is the effort it took to create it.

In a case like this? Not really, but I honestly think they would have gotten a faster result here just by sketching it out normally. It would take longer to pose a model like that than it would have to sketch that pose out, given how simple and fundamental it is. For more difficult poses using a model as a basic reference is definitely a good idea since the merits of doing it yourself somewhat vanish when thousands of people are going to be looking at your finished product and will see a foreshortening mistake you made at 3 in the morning and you don't have a whole lot of time to dedicate to each individual pose like an amateur artist doing a singular piece would where they can focus on where they went wrong.

Now, just tracing right over a model reference? Yeah, that just makes soulless art and stands out blatantly enough to where it will bother people. In this case you can't even tell they used a reference and it differs from said reference in meaningful ways.

This is a great idea, but I'll say again that for a pose like this you'd really get faster results just taking the shot of the room and then scribbling it in. Takes less time and gear shifting than posing and switching back to drawing up until you get to more complex poses.

Its a false god
The art has a purpose, the effort is the means to that goal.
Someone like Miura then takes that false god and releases 1 chapter a year of intricate backgrounds and series of lines because he thinks thats what people want from him.

That's why churning out 15 pages of manga on weekly basis is already impressive enough

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I get what you mean, but it could also just be a pre-posed model that they just dragged in. At least that way it's only a couple of seconds off of your time. Maybe it just puts them at ease.

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Holy fuck I haven't thought of this series in years

Ideally you'd use 3D to figure out the layout and perspective of the scene, the posing if the characters, and their proportions, but being completely dependent on it can really hamper the quality of the finished product. Now if the people who made Guilty Gear or Houseki no Kuni decided to 3dcg a manga, maybe it would look better than .

Given that both models are in the exact same pose you're probably right, thinking about it. I was assuming they had copied and pasted the pose they had created for some reason. And it does save some arm/wrist exertion this way as well which is important for someone with as large of a workload as a mangaka.

Soulless

No rules, only tools.

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nope, all artists use references.

Everyone uses references until they learn them as to draw without them. Whether 3D CGI or reference books.

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ah, yes. based period poster

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That one about the mountain climbing suicide man that gets shilled all the time does that for backgrounds and it’s so lame. I dropped it.

OP is a fucking retard, more news at eleven.

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references != tracing. Why do retards always come to these threads and claim those are the same thing?

nor is the OP's