Hiroki Azuma, Ph.D from the University of Tokyo >A lot of you probably maintain a single image of anime culture. But in Japan, it is actually heavily split in two ways. This happened in 1995. It was the year when Evangelion was first released. This anime led the split, but it also carries both elements. On one side, it depicts the “real” emotional conflicts of a teenager, and battle scenes are also highly realistic. But on the other hand, it also expresses fictive quality of a symbolic imagination. This split is becoming deeper and deeper.
Toshio Okada >Whatever we discuss today, we cannot avoid Eva "
Mamoru Oshii >"After Eva ended, there were a mountain of shows similar to it, but all they did was trace the details.
Makoto Shinkai >Shinkai, 39, cites Evangelion, Hideaki Anno's coming-of-age epic of childhood betrayal at the hands of misguided adults, as having taught him "anime doesn't always have to be about crazy movement and a lot of action. Sometimes it is also about the words or even the lack of words, things not being spoken."'
Takashi Murakami >"Evangelion is the endpoint of the post-war lineage of otaku favorites : from Godzilla to the Ultra series to Yamato to Gundam"
Shinbo >"If Evangelion did not become such a hit, probably we could not have made anime like we do now"
I don't care who you are, that's just rude and immature.
Parker Baker
The fact that so many people praise Evangelion as the greatest anime ever made is just proof of how immature anime as a medium is.
Juan Sullivan
Is Eva the first time an anime creator was openly and directly having a conversation with the otaku watching through their work? I can't think of anything older that's as acutely occupied with addressing its audience.
Isaac Jones
academics are hacks
Jaxson Hernandez
Are these the same realistic fights where the series can't even decide how tall the EVAs are?
Julian Allen
ANIME IS DEAD
Mason Taylor
>Oshii's comment is most pretentious one Pure cringe.
I've obviously seen Otaku no Video, but it's more about the Gainax dudes just talking about themselves. It's not a call for otaku to start self-reflecting or anything.
>"However, over the past 12 years, there has been no anime newer than Eva." - Hideaki Anno
Nicholas Lopez
>pick some religious themes >add mecha >add girls >later say you used the religious themes just because it made it cool >people ignore you and still praise you
Juan Stewart
>pisscord Kill yourself.
Andrew Bailey
Because no one cares about religious chuu2 outside of 14 yo zoomers, zoomer.
Carson Kelly
It is indeed Anno's fault for 1995-2012, the greatest era of anime.
Robert Powell
anno probably feels immense regret over the fact he normalized/validated post-90s otaku media and otaku mentality and every single one of these comments tries to conveniently gloss over that in their attempts at saying "evangelion truly made anime an Adult medium" except for shinbo, the director who has all of his visual style based directly in otaku shit (panty flashes, body ogling, chibi deforms for gags), and murakami, an otaku artist
Robert Walker
>"If Evangelion did not become such a hit, probably we could not have made anime like we do now" This is said like it's a bad thing. That 10 year period where edgy, moody, dark palletted, everything is symbolic (usually Christian imagery) because of Eva's influence sucked.
Christian Taylor
Why are all Eva fans so pretentious?
Dylan Young
They never matured past their teenage years.
Henry Young
Well, yeah.
Liam Barnes
>not doing the whole pasta c'mon
Xavier Murphy
I’m being serious here.
Cooper Watson
Hideaki Anno >But your influence on me is incalculable, impossible to evaluate. After all, even in Evangelion, I couldn't get away from the Devilman influence…
>EVA is an "Ultramanian" character, sure. But to be honest, the visual inspiration also comes from Devilman.
>I think I didn't do it consciously… After that, people made me notice : "Ah this is Devilman"
>It's at this moment that I said to myself : "Damn, whatever I do, I cannot escape the Go Nagai influence."
>"After Eva ended, there were a mountain of shows similar to it, like fucking what no one seems to be able to name dick fucking shit when they say that
I like Eva, but it's obnoxious how overstated its influence on the industry is.
Joseph Collins
delet this
Jordan Bailey
> It's not a call for otaku to start self-reflecting or anything. My devices don't have a proper scale for your autism.
Charles Moore
funny thing you made this thread today, I just read an article today on how Eva created the sekai-kei genre and influenced Japanese fiction
Cooper Hall
>sekai-kei genre Doesn't exist and the vague descriptions for it can be applied to a multitude of anime/manga preexisting Eva by decades. The only originality Eva had was being a weekday anime during an evening time slot with a demographic targeting teens and young adults. This was during the death of the OVA format, making Eva a massive ratings hit and it was one of the first waifu merch pandering properties to reach such levels of success right before the full onset of early 00s moe merch culture.
Ethan Cooper
#based it was Uncle Go all along
MAZIN GO !
Evan Collins
clearly anno is just buttering his biscuit
Thomas Walker
>before the full onset of early 00s moe merch culture For all we know, it might not have existed if not for Eva.
Jace Harris
Have Go Nagai ever given his opinion about Eva?
Adrian Brooks
I'm attributing it to Eva in my post. There's no doubt that Eva was an important milestone in anime, but I argue that it's importance is related to anime production, rather than the writing.
Jayden Robinson
So you're new… Calm down, calm down, it's not such a grave condition.
In the following decade, there would be many mecha shows that copy (try to copy, actually) the tragic feel, the biomechs, the characters, etc. “Poor man's Evangelion” was a common remark. It also affected anime outside of mecha genre.
>A lot of you probably maintain a single image of anime culture. But in Japan, it is actually heavily split in two ways. Interesting, you got my attenti- >This happened in 1995. It was the year when Eva- Fuck off and die.
Thomas Baker
>doesn't exist >there are Japanese studies about this topic dunno senpai, I believe those more than a guy who most likely only read blog articles about it or maybe Sekai-kei to wa nani ka
>there are Japanese studies about this topic There aren't. But go ahead. Define it and try to claim that Eva invented whatever you've defined.
Gabriel Carter
Not him, but Eva doesn't have to have invented anything to create a genre. It could just as well just made certain elements popular enough so that there would be enough imitators to then create the need for a genre definition. Like with how Gundam, despite not really being a new concept, is said to have created the real-robot mecha genre.
Gavin Cox
>can't define it >argues that any work before eva wasn't popular enough >claims gundam didn't do anything new
Easton Young
There's more mileage in saying something exists than saying something doesn't exist in literary criticism.
Brandon Collins
NO EVA MUST BE A SPECIAL GENRE SHATTERING WORK IT CAN'T JUST BE A REALLY POPULAR ANIME FROM THE LATE 1990s IT HAS TO BE SPECIAL IT CREATED EVERYTHING
Luis Watson
As I said not him so I don’t even know what sekai-kei is or if Eva created the supposed genre. And I didn’t say that Gundam did nothing new, just that the concept wasn’t.
Liam Rogers
>Eva was to anime what Watchmen was to comics i.e. a basic predictable deconstruction that got overhyped to oblivion and started a cancerous trend that the industry can't get rid of 30 years later
Nicholas Mitchell
It’s not a deconstructions nor is it overhyped.
Landon Nguyen
what's the trend? being something that you don't like?
Colton Robinson
>argues that there were popular titles even before Eva but don't say any
Carson Morris
>just that the concept wasn’t. But it was. Gundam was the first Japanese mecha series to put such a strong militarized spin on the piloted giant robot concept. There were military elements before, but none had made it so defining as it was in Gundam. Find me one pre-Gundam mecha with those sort of mecha designs, characters that serve in a military and not a paramilitary, the focus on different models of largely standardized robots as if they were tanks/airplanes, etc.
Gavin Walker
>go ahead and define it teenagers getting caught in an apocalypse-level crisis and they need to solve it in order to save the world albeit being mere teenagers
Joseph Gray
Devilman. Now what?
Connor Stewart
>mere teenagers >Devilman really?
Angel Scott
>be special person who is the only one who can pilot special robot and eventually become god-like entity >mere teenagers really?
Hudson Lopez
if you think that half-demons are equivalent to mere teenagers or even comparable to a boy whom only uniqueness is his DNA compatibility, then I think we can end this discussion
