So why was there a catgirl (male) in this other world?

It wouldn't be as bad if it didn't keep repeating itself. How many times do we have to have Subaru yelling at Emilia for not listening to him (despite the fact that he never explains anything at all)? How many times do we need scenes of Subaru yelling at random people for not immediately doing what he wants (and then comically threatening them physically despite them having guardians right there)?

tbf it's not how loud or brickheaded he is that I hate, it's that he isn't held accountable for being retarded by any of the girls. Can't suspend my disbelief through that, especially since the show was subverting the "main character becoming powerful and attractive with no effort" trope just a few episodes before.

It really is a chore to go through this. The pacing is god awful, and only ever works for maybe the last episode of each arc, where things finally proceed in a (meaningful) way. Rewatching this is a fucking pain in the ass.

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exactlyyyyy
and then they just treat him like he's not toxic or insane

The girl characters hurt their own characterization so much by tolerating his he's such a cringe simp

Yeah, the show has a serious disconnect between treating Subaru like a designated harem protag who can do basically anything and still have cute girls hurling themselves at him but also wanting to be this dark, serious story about despair and suffering.

It's easy to miss since we see everything from Subaru's perspective, but Emilia's attachment to Subaru makes absolutely zero sense. They've hardly interacted with each other, and have had at least one major "Subaru works himself into a frenzy and screams at you for not reading his mind" event. At least Rem's infatuation is easily explained by her being an emotionally shattered wreck of a non-human.

>but Emilia's attachment to Subaru makes absolutely zero sense
she has no friends, social stunted, and canonically has the brain of a 14 year old as she's been awake for only 14 years.

He's the first person to not hate her for looking like the witch, she just wants to be treated like a normal person.

>it's that he isn't held accountable for being retarded by any of the girls
>Emilia abandons him
>Rem rejects his proposal

>it's that he isn't held accountable for being retarded by any of the girls
Aside from killing him for being a retard? And Emilia kicked him off the team for being retarded, it doesn't stick because she's a massive pussy and he blows up a whale for her, but she at least stuck his ass in gay cat detention. Rem is hanging around because she's likes him and will step in if he goes life-threateningly retarded (at least if she's there, which she's not when he picks a fight with the knights) but is otherwise under orders to let him be as retarded as he wants. Crusch is under a certain level of obligation to put up with him, but Anastasia tricks info out of him and tells him to get lost while Priscilla kicks him across the room for being retarded.
I'm not exactly sure who you think is letting him get away with anything since this point here is his absolute lowest where he thinks he's completely out of options because everyone around him keeps shitting on his dumb ass.

>(and then comically threatening them physically despite them having guardians right there)?
It would've been way funnier/cringier had they actually included what he does in the WN/LN

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>looking like the witch
you see, this is another huge disconnect. why make her beautiful with nice tits and all? That's not a witch, and people like beautiful people, no matter what.
>just wants to be treated like a normal person
so lame

Emilia is one of the only people that constantly questions his motives and generally gets weirded out. Rem just sucks his dick regardless of what he says.

Incidentally, Rem smacks him for this stunt and hauls him out of the room.

>Rem just sucks his dick regardless of what he says.
>Incidentally, Rem smacks him for this stunt and hauls him out of the room.

which one is it

>That's not a witch, and people like beautiful people, no matter what.
That's what the witch looks like. Anyone who fits that description, and even just elves in general get hated on because of that. In a more practical sense, Uncle Petey there has spent the last 100 years playing twister with everybody in a 10 mile radius of any elves he finds.
I will agree it's a disconnect, because with the gravity of that you would think the council would be hugely more concerned with the inevitable witch cult attack. Crusch during the conversation, as well as every other candidate is well aware that by her nature as a half-elf that a group of cultists are going to show up at her door sooner or later, she was just wanting to see what Subaru's reasoning behind his argument was and whether he wasn't also planning on leading her guys into a magical twister realm.

the thing is it's hard to voice this complaint because similar to Rem, Puck tells us that Emilia has no friends and craves intimate attention (nicknames, etc.) so you could kind of understand her unwillingness to cut him out completely.

But isn't she also supposed to be trying to become Queen or whatever? She should have gotten a restraining order after that outburst at the first royal selection meeting, not apologized on his behalf with that "so you still won't tell me what's going on" bullshit. Even if he could tell her it wouldn't justify his attitude.

I'm only on episode 17 (9 in Director's Cut) so idk if you mean stuff later but Emilia has not abandoned him yet, she still cares deeply for him and goes out of her way to make sure he's safe and stable.
Rem ditches him out of love too so idk if her not going along with his schemes is necessarily a rejection.

>I'm only on episode 17 (9 in Director's Cut) so idk if you mean stuff later but Emilia has not abandoned him yet, she still cares deeply for him and goes out of her way to make sure he's safe and stable.
are you stupid. she left left him retard. they were never to see each other again

>Crusch is under a certain level of obligation to put up with him, but Anastasia tricks info out of him and tells him to get lost while Priscilla kicks him across the room for being retarded.
this is all true, I'm talking about Emilia and Rem, because they're a lot closer to him now than any of those others are. I find their tolerance hard to stomach. You're right about those others though.

Not the first one, are you retarded? Even within the context of the anime we just had an episode where she used magic to incapacitate him and left him with a big bag of money while she ran off to die in explicit defiance of what he wanted. We are gearing up to an episode where she rejects his offer to run away and tells him to nut up instead that ends with him telling her that he loves Emilia. Which is a statement she quickly files under 'oh memeboy, you're so memey' before continuing to worm her way into his heart and getting a confession out of him like 2 days later. The only think she doesn't get to do is stick around for beating Pete because she really can't move when Felix and other dudes strongarm her onto a carriage and ship her off.

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>I find their tolerance hard to stomach.
this dude saved your life, not once but multiple times. sure he may be a little quirky but you owe him much more than you can ever pay

>she left left him retard
yeah while he healed with Felix but when he goes back and gets attacked by the whale Emilia drops everything to heal him and goes to listen to him when he barges in on her later (this is during the forgetting Rem part).

Emilia could have had Beatrice heal him and gone off on him when he went to her room but she's so timid and soft for him it's obnoxious.

yeah. because he showed up at their doorstep half dead.
> Emilia drops everything to heal him and goes to listen to him when he barges in on her later

>Emilia could have had Beatrice heal him
No she can't.

He only saved Emilia once as of that iteration of the story; at the end of the first arc. He couldn't have explained anything else to her.

Rem makes more sense because she doesn't have a royal selection to keep up appearances for but he's still a sperg to her.

I guess I'm mostly complaining about the one scene with Emilia where she makes excuses for him and then tells him they'll "end this" (and then doesn't).

Emilia is incredibly weak-willed, and doesn't know what to do, so she tends not to do much at all. Understanding how actually pathetic she is as a person is sort of a big chunk of arc 4.
Rem doesn't put up with his shit, the director largely cut any scene he could with her in it, but she still tongue-lashes him like she did all throughout arc 2, it's just phrased slightly differently to come off on face value as compliments. As far as any stupid actions he does, she's under explicit orders to let him do them, she even expresses in the anime that she disagrees with him going to the selection at all because she knows he's going to be a dumbass. The anime then stupidly takes a shortcut by just having him pressure her into telling him where it is when in every other form of media he 'tricks' (read: she let him go, again, because she's under orders to not get in the way of anything he wants to do) her and makes a run for it and then has to find out where it is in a different way.
It's why Roswaal makes this face when he shows up, because things are going to plan the way Roswaal wants them to.

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>No she can't.
even if Beatrice wouldn't heal him for whatever reason, Emilia should still be mad at him for *once again* not communicating with her and going against her wishes, risking his life in the process and implicitly blaming her for it.

>even if Beatrice wouldn't heal him for whatever reason,
More like Emilia cannot even contact Beatrice.

>Understanding how actually pathetic she is as a person is sort of a big chunk of arc 4.
alright guess I'll wait and see

That all makes sense about Rem

>It's why Roswaal makes this face when he shows up, because things are going to plan the way Roswaal wants them to.
Yeah I saw that but there is just 0 reason to believe it's a good thing that Subaru went so shamefully crazy like that in public. If that was the writer trying to assuage some of my cringe, it didn't work.

>Emilia should still be mad at him for *once again* not communicating with her and going against her wishes, risking his life in the process and implicitly blaming her for it.
Yes, that's because Emilia is retarded. Not even memeing, literally retarded. Her body and brain aren't in alignment, she's a child. And even compared to other children in the work she's an incredibly sheltered, stunted child. There's a nine year-old mini clown that shows up later that acts as the 'big sister' when they interact. A nine-year old.

So even though she should be mad at him again, she's mostly just concerned for him because he was injured and distressed. And even then with all her weakness she still pressures him into trying to tell her whats going on, which naturally results in her death. But again, incredibly weak-willed, almost no backbone and easily manipulated. It's worth noting that both Puck and Roswaal are guiding her this way on purpose for sort of different reasons, and both of them are dickbags.

There's really no way for her to get a hold of her? Puck or Ram can't track her down?

I'd also expect her to be aggravated, whether she helps him personally or not.

>Yeah I saw that but there is just 0 reason to believe it's a good thing that Subaru went so shamefully crazy like that in public.
It's not a good thing, almost nothing Roswaal wants the characters to do is a 'good' thing. Roswaal is an asshole. Rem is correct in trying to keep him from doing that, she's just under obligation to not stop him. Here's an example of how Roswaal plans work
>Goal: I need the time-looping retard in my mansion stat
>Plan: I'll hire the bowel-hunter to kill my own candidate
>???
>Result: Memeboy in mansion, mission success!

He's incorrect, anyone can contact Beatrice, you just have to talk in the mansion and she'll eventually figure out you're there. Her library links to every door there, though only one at a time. She doesn't call Betty to do it because she has things she wants to try and resolve with Subaru, refer back to 'unconfident, weak-willed patsy'

>Emilia is retarded
alright I guess I just haven't seen the extent of it yet. I figured Roswaal was using her naivety for some reason.

The other side of my disdain for Subaru is why *he* likes *her* so much, considering that he spent way more time with Rem in his current life than he ever did with Emilia.
He's just hard for me to watch as a reformed pussyfart myself, I guess.

>Roswaal is an asshole.
awww he's one of my favorite characters (just cause he's not annoying and I like savvy characters, who scheme and don't act retarded on purpose like... well, other every main character so far).

>I figured Roswaal was using her naivety for some reason
He is, he mentioned what his goal was, he's going to nuke the ever living fuck out of the guardian dragon. Obviously if she's going to be a making a pact with that it would be helpful if it wasn't nuked into oblivion but he ultimately doesn't care what Emilia wants and she won't know presumably until he just goes nuclear clown on it's ass as soon as it shows up.
>The other side of my disdain for Subaru is why *he* likes *her* so much, considering that he spent way more time with Rem in his current life than he ever did with Emilia.
This one isn't conveyed well in the LN/WN, but pretty much isn't conveyed much at all in the anime, but he does spent time with Emilia nearly every day, just hanging out and meme flirting. Now he still spends more time with either of the twins, since he works with them (Ram more than Rem, typically, he slows Rem down too much and she's load-bearing for keeping the mansion running)
However, he does have some reasons to like Emilia.
First, she's his dream girl. Like seriously, she checks essentially every box he has, elf, long sliver hair, 'big sister' type, etc... physically he could probably not make a better waifu.
Second is that is personality is more like a dog that won't let go of anything he's bitten, even if he later learns that was a terrible idea he recontextualizes what he's doing and tries again. This is as much a virtue as it is a flaw and it comes up with a lot of things, including why he doesn't fear Rem and Ram for killing him.
Third he does want to be the dumb isekai MC. He keeps holding out hope that that will happen and it'll be awesome, with a win under his belt from Elsa and the dogs he got cocky, not helped at all by Rem consoling him (he actually pays very little attention to what she says and up until she dies a couple times for him really considers her more of a dog for his comfort than a person most of the time)

He's a clown in anime, how did you know realize he was an asshole? That said, I actually think his side of things is incredibly interesting and I'm more interested in how the Roswaal, Rem, Ram, Dragon stuff shakes out than the main plot so far.

Finally, he's scared shitless. His home life wasn't bad. He had no friends, but his parents and fun, caring and supportive, he's terrified of being alone in a world with nobody. Due partially to point two, he's latched onto Emilia, and he's not going to let go because then he would be alone and that thought absolutely terrifies him. It scares him so much he barely even acknowledges that it motivates him at all, it's not until he's later confronted with his parents that he really reflects back on how homesick and scared to never see them again he is.

Still don't get why people like rem or ram.

Emilia is clearly best girl.

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>he mentioned what his goal was, he's going to nuke the ever living fuck out of the guardian dragon
yeah I don't really have the context yet to know if that's either good or bad (no spoilers pls)
I do know Croosh questioned the dragon's authority in that same scene so I didn't think it was necessarily bad.

>Third he does want to be the dumb isekai MC
oddly this is the best justification given his mental state. he does seem pretty deep in denial of the exact severity and strangeness of his circumstances.

I didn't know he's a clown I thought he was a magician :(

>he's latched onto Emilia, and he's not going to let go because then he would be alone and that thought absolutely terrifies him
Makes sense all I would say to this is that there's no reason he couldn't look for emotional stability and support in the more available and present character Rem. I'm not even a best girl memer it just makes more sense with that reasoning.

She's not even top 5

>there's no reason he couldn't look for emotional stability and support in the more available and present character Rem
Which is why he does. Up to this point he uses Rem sort of as an encouragement girl and gives her headpats or something and basically treats her like an emotional support animal that he can rant to or whatever. He's taking her for granted and not really appreciating what it is she's telling him most of the time and such. Now that she's died horrifically a few times he's starting to rethink that, and next episode is a big one.
>yeah I don't really have the context yet to know if that's either good or bad (no spoilers pls)
I can tell you some random trivia-type things, but ultimately I can't spoil you on that, we have no idea what the dragon's deal is aside from that it probably lives off the edge of the world, or can at least fly off the edge of the world if it wants to fuck off from everybody. And the already established statement that the Sage, Hero and Dragon sealed Satella, and that the kingdom is the Dragon Kingdom of Lugnica and that it somehow blesses the land. Just know that the clown no likey the big lizard. And while Roswaal is a noble ninja tapdancing dick wizard everyone describes the makeup he wears as clown makeup (he personally considers it a kind of warpaint for serious clown business)

Why do people care about Rem when Ram exists and is infinitely better?

>serious clown business

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I suppose it is easier to be infinitely better as something that exists vs something that doesn't.

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>he personally considers it a kind of warpaint
Also Rem agrees and thinks the makeup is scary and Roswaal generally frightens her. She's very impressed Ram keeps trying to ride that.

At the end of the day, Subaru still saves everyone and clearly suffers for it. Even if he can't say it in words, his actions are good enough for them to get it. He could be less extreme about it though. He truly doesn't value himself enough and that's what really makes the girls upset. Imagine watching someone you love ramble about threats to your safety all the time, or watching your loved ones die over and over again before dying yourself. That's Subaru and the girls' relationship to each other basically.

the thing is a lot of Subaru's help is self indulgent and Emilia calls him out for that, but then just sort of gives up on being mad at him and that was so annoying to me lol

:o lots to think about with Roswaal

>a lot of Subaru's help is self indulgent
That's when he's not helping. Like his fight with Julius that pushed her over the edge for the first time. When he actually saves them it makes up for his stupidity.

>lol
Don't do this nigger
>:o
And definitely don't do this you double nigger

It's funny because I can empathize intensely with Subaru's suffering here and find the pacing too fast.

Okay so for real question from someone who's not done catching up.

Since Clown Ooal Gown-sama over there is basically set up as everything Ainz's minions think he is, except actually, complete with multi century keikaku, phenomenal cosmic powers, pseudo-immortality and so on, why does Emilia still keep ending up in life threatening situations?
As a gospel holder, is he like "in on it"? Does he knows of Subaru's power and perhaps knew even before Subaru came, and is intentionally letting situations happen where subaru will have to keep dying and improving in some weird hero training program of his design? Or is it simply that he's too busy clowning around?

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you ape retard,
you dog among men,
you bitchmade cocksucking faggot
you spastic negroid ass clown

go back to r*ddit if emoticons and textual shorthand bother you enough to complain to me about it

> Like his fight with Julius that pushed her over the edge for the first time
but just... why... would he ever try this... he just makes such bad choices for someone who is allegedly averse to dying.

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>why... would he ever try this
Well Julius clearly isn't the kind of guy to kill someone. Subaru subconsciously knows this. It's just a pride thing, and everyone thinks he's a fool for this. Even Julius thinks he himself took it too far though.

He's not really like what Ainz' guys think he is. He's fairly fallible. However, he does know Subaru can redo events (he doesn't know the specific trigger else he would nuke memeboy everytime he did something wrong). I don't know if this is because the book strictly tells him so or if he intuits it again because Subar can do things against what the gospel says, which he considers infallible, so the only logical conclusion would be that Subaru can somehow fix history he screws up. He specifically encourages life-threatening situations to drive Subaru more obsessed with Emilia. He hired Elsa in arc 1 and caused that whole thing, while he doesn't seem to have hired Meili in arc 2, he's aware of her and 'leaves' when Subaru does the right thing to let that dog thing play out. Arc 3 he is well aware of Pete and the whale, but does nothing about it so he can set up Arc 4 where he's basically the boss antagonist. His ultimate goal is to bend Subaru to be obsessive towards Emilia above all else so he can use Subaru to get Emilia on the throne (she has no chance at winning without an obsessive cheat character on her team) so he can nuke the dragon and maybe fuck his teacher or something.

He actually just lucked out. He thinks very low of Julius and thinks the training swords and stuff are Julius looking down on him more, because he has no understanding of medieval court rules and etiquette. So he ran his mouth like the entitled millennial he is absolutely sure that nobody would kill him for it, because that's not even on his radar as a thing that happens to people.
Basically any other knight there was going to kill him in a duel, except Felix who is a technical pacifist (despite being the most pissed off), but Julius steps in to make sure that doesn't happen and beats him a lot instead.

What do you think?
Just continue the read my friend your questions will be answered.
He is memeing Subaru to lust over Emilia to make her win the throne, she has no chance without his cheat

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yaaaaaaaaaaaas sisters slay!

Oh, and also Emilia is an irrelevant placeholder. She's just bait for Subaru to get the dragon out here eventually, Roswaal cares not at all for anything Emilia wants to do and actually is interested in her becoming completely mindbroken and submissive since she'll be easier to manage that way. He'd be backing a turd for the throne if it could make the keystone glow and he could convince Subaru that it needed to win.