How comes there's so little people who actually understand Haruhi? Is the anime community just too dumb for it?

It's not only the people who dislike it. A lot of the "fandom" doesn't understand it either. That's why KyoAni had to make shows like Lucky Star and K-ON to contain them.

What exactly do people not understand about Haruhi? I keep seeing this meme lately but I have no idea what it is that people are meant to not be getting. I only see it used as a response to people not liking it.

Just how sexy Haruhi in a bunny suit really is.

>How comes there's so little people who actually understand Haruhi
The only thing to understand about it is the fact that Kyon is god all along.

Watch the show. And I mean actually watch it, not speedwatch it. Then you'll see what you're supposed to get. You'll be one step closer to getting it.
A hint: As long as you think it's moeshit, 2006 order is "lol random gimmick xD" and endless eight is bad you didn't get it.

That's a red herring. Dig more. It doesn't make sense for Kyon to actually be the god.

Reminder

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Actually, it does...

He draws the message for one. The one which apparently draws the attention of whatever bestowed the power.

The thing he says in the into is *his* wish.

*he* is always present when shit goes down, and *he* is the one who every faction needs to keep distracted from the fact that he's the one with the gift.

What makes the most sense, is Haruhi being the Red Herring. He is essentially a nobody without her. And yet he is central to everything.

I love Haruhi, I've seen the series several times including when S2 was airing. I don't think that Haruhi is moeshit, I don't think that S1 broadcast order is random (it is essentially Melancholy in order with short stories peppered through). Not sure what you like about Endless 8 but at least watching the fandom implode over it in real time was entertaining.

I really don't think Haruhi is a series so deep and complex that dislikers must have failed to understand it. Maybe it's just not for them...?

You know, at first I thought that was a stupid theory but
>Fujiwara was Mikuru's brother in a previous iteration of the world that was changed by Haruhi
>Fujiwara's name is unknown and he goes by a nickname just like Kyon
>Mikuru tells Kyon that everything regarding her family is "higly classified"
It actually does have some ground to it. Probably isn't true but if it was ever revealed it wouldn't feel like an asspull at all.

Its just newfags bitching how it jsnt as great as My Hero, Jojo, Demon Slayers, and being mad how there are still big fans of it over a decade later that are not fawning over previously mentioned.

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Kyon doesn't have enough knowledge for the whole universe to have been subconsciously created by him. He's the least smart member of the brigade asides from maybe Mikuru, but even Mikuru has more knowledge due to coming from the future (and her adult self acts as a (semi-reliable) exposition character just like Koizumi). Haruhi has shown hints of being subconsciously aware of everything. Kyon is the center of everything because he's the person Haruhi has her eyes on, he's the most prone to influencing her. And he's easier to deal with than Haruhi, a being whose reactions are impossible to predict due to the universe and what is predetermined to happen in it being caused by her rather than the way around.

Again, it's not only dislikers. A whole bunch of the fandom doesn't understand it either. The reactions to endless eight are proof of this.
>I don't think that S1 broadcast order is random (it is essentially Melancholy in order with short stories peppered through)
That's not all there is to it, though. That doesn't contradict the episode order being random.

Is that novel still not finished?

Explain what you see in Endless Eight that makes you like it so much.

And how do you figure the broadcast order is designed? What I see is Melancholy in order and stretched over the season, short stories inserted in the middle with some minor references to events that already happened that give rewatch value, and the movie as episode 1 for a power move.

The burden of proof is on you to explain why Haruhi is "actually good, you just don't get it", Haruhi poster. You can't expect someone to appreciate something you like due to the vague argument of "you just don't understand", you have to actually provide a valid structural argument/interpretation of the show itself which can then be analyzed in order to convince someone - otherwise no one is going to take you seriously, and will most likely see you as a rabid fan.

As for me, it's a mediocre show, but the movie's fairly nice.

>he doesn't like it
>means he doesn't understand it
They are subscribing to this logic these days.

>Explain what you see in Endless Eight that makes you like it so much.
Character development by empathy. Which is something that is almost never done because the anime community doesn't like it when the show is making them feel things that aren't "funny" or "sad". People using their subjective enjoyment to judge art objectively are the reason why the anime community at large will never understand endless eight. The whole point of the re-airing was to do a build up to the movie, and endless eight is the prime example of that. But people failed so hard to realize that that they removed the next episode previews from every upload of the episodes because they didn't understand how important they were. The 2006 previews are important too btw, for other reasons.

>And how do you figure the broadcast order is designed?
It was designed so as to develop the characters. By broadcasting at a given time an episode that will highlight a given side of a character's personality.

>You can't expect someone to appreciate something you like due to the vague argument of "you just don't understand"
I don't give a shit about you not appreciating something that's objectively good, dumbasses are wrong, big deal. I'm establishing the fact that you didn't get it is all. And btw, you can't just expect people to tl;dr you a show that you're too lazy to watch or too retarded to look into. Watch it and lurk more. And stop hiding behind "muh opinions" to justify saying things that are objectively wrong.

If after all this time you still can’t understand Haruhi, you are a simp. And anime isn’t for you, maybe Family Guy or the SIMPsons are more at your level

>I don't give a shit about you not appreciating something that's objectively good
>>Explain what you see in Endless Eight that makes you like it so much.
>Character development by empathy.
You, as the viewer, are imposing an external framework, the psychological state of empathy, upon an artwork as your basis for criteria as to whether something is good via whether it meets that criteria. It is not inherent to the art itself. This is what you would call an interpretation, or a "subjective argument". You relate your interpretation to the objective structure of Haruhi, sure, but that is still not an objective analysis of the thing in question. In view of its relation to the framework you bring up, it might possibly be very good, great even, but if your framework, which you assume to be objective, were to be disregarded by, say, the director or KyoAni saying "actually, we did Endless Eight to fuck with otaku scum", then what? Your interpretation, your "objective argument", falls flat, unless you acknowledge it as a subjective interpretation, as all interpretations are.

No, because of death of the author. What is is, it doesn't matter why it was originally created. And that's very obviously not what they were going for either, so that's just be a blatant lie.
You can't judge based on enjoyment something that wasn't meant to be enjoyed. Something is objectively good when it had high objectives and met them. When it does great things and does them right.

>That's very obviously not what they were going for
How can you objectively say this? What basis in reality, what authority is there, that gives you, the reader/interpreter, the power to say this 100%? You say yourself that you prescribe to death of the author, but then eschew weaker interpretations due to being "objectively bad", when those interpretations do not match your "objective criteria" for enjoyment and understanding of a piece of media. Even within literature, where there are very clear set structures for critique (such as in English, with "this sentence has no verb, therefore we cannot understand what exactly the subject performs to the object, and as we are looking at this sentence through the lens of criteria wherein understanding of the sentence is of immense importance, we can say that objectively the sentence/text is bad, as it does not clarify the action the subject is doing to the object"), these could be eschewed for another set of criteria, such as syllabic analysis ("cellar door", for example, a phrase considered aesthetically beautiful by some due to how it manipulates sound itself), which could also be taken as a manner of enjoying something and as a way of "objectively" analyzing something.
>Something is objectively good when it had high objectives and met them.
Yes, but, if you prescribe to death of the author, you must then also acknowledge that an artwork cannot have "objectives" to meet. An artwork is not a person or a competition in which there are criterion set within itself to judge itself.

This is not to dismiss your interpretations of Haruhi, they are fairly more clear about what appeal the show might have to some audiences, even if I dislike the tone you take (which I am not considering in this chat), but do understand where you are arguing from, reflect a bit, and ignore Yas Forums for a while.

Stop talking like an academic philosopher and start reading Nietzsche

>How can you objectively say this?
With logic. Watchmaker analogy.
>if you prescribe to death of the author, you must then also acknowledge that an artwork cannot have "objectives" to meet
Yes, of course it does. Its themes, and in general anything it's doing, are things that it must do right.
>reflect a bit, and ignore Yas Forums for a while.
Why would I ignore Yas Forums? It's fun to see people get filtered.

>simp
please fuck off back to r*ddit or twitch or where ever you came from

>Haruhi
>Moe anime

Haruhi is like modern art. It's shit, but you're just supposed to like it for some reason.

Haruhi storytelling comes in a moe package, retard. You can't find this kind of character and storytelling aesthetic in normal novels.

>Watchmaker analogy.
>Death of the author.
These are directly opposed concepts, from what I can remember. The former implicitly acknowledges that a structure is created with objective intentions/intelligent design, the latter eschews objective intentions within structures, that the structure itself is what it is and nothing more, and that there is no inherent meaning within the structure itself.
>Why would I ignore Yas Forums? It's fun to see people get filtered.
I worry for you deriving enjoyment from the scenario in which you sit as as implied king over plebs when you don't know what your throne is made of. Besides, there must be better things to do in life than enjoying seeing poorly formed arguments about things you like? Being pleasured by constant arguing in a smug and detached fashion seems like a horrible state of mind to be in.

Why do you type in such a soulless discount academic tier language? Can't you type like a normal fucking human

>intelligence of an average user

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You aren't intelligent because you use dull prose

Except with Haruhi the reasons actually exists, they're just outside of your personal knowledge.

Moe is one of Haruhi's many "genres", since the point is that it has a shitton of those. Saying it's only moe and is on the same level as moeshit is as retarded as saying there's no moe in it.

>These are directly opposed concepts
Yes, because they were originally mentioned in a "even then" context.
>Being pleasured by constant arguing in a smug and detached fashion seems like a horrible state of mind to be in.
It's fun, and it's pretty much the only kind of Haruhi discussion that's possible while waiting for more material.

>oh no he used a word I don’t like
Perhaps twitter is more your speed, you can block anyone who triggers you

>That's a red herring.
It's like you didn't read the last novelvol13 or something.

>He's the least smart member of the brigade
He's about as smart as Koizumi actually.
Calling him the least smart when he's the one that always correctly guesses what's going on in Haruhi's minds is like saying Nagato is an idiot.

>It's obvious so it can't be a red herring
Do you know what a red herring is?

>he's the one that always correctly guesses what's going on in Haruhi's mind
That's because he knows Haruhi, it's not a matter of him being smart. Kyon is an unreliable narrator and keeps getting fed unreliable info from unreliable exposition characters that either are wrong, don't tell him things or puts things in a way that he can understand.

Why do people with the worst grammar always have to get the best digits?

I'm not this user () but okay if you insist.

This is a thread where people are actually trying to discuss things, you FUCKING braindead retard. I bet you fucking spend all day on this low-test zoomer site like the beta cuck you are, fucking degenerate, fucking soulless husk of a human being. Why don't you >>>/gb2v/ and talk about why the stacey girl in 12th grade didn't think you were attractive, the WHORE, when you presented her with your cringy unkempt appearance, which is why you HATE this game for having women in it, you sexually repressed freak? Haaah? You LIKE it when I step on your dick? You LIKE having your balls crushed? >tfw no goth big tiddy gf????
Fuck OFF sissy, we are discussing things here, bitch. You're probably one of (((them))), anyways.

See? This is "soulful" language on Yas Forums. All websites with their own cultural lingo are soulless to begin with.

>waiting for more material
lad you gotta realize it ain't coming at some point

I liked the mellowness of haruhi shorts than disappearance movie

Nigga all I wanted to say is you can sound more convincing if you use flavorful language. You just come off as a try-hard pretentious fart with that type of prose

>lad you gotta realize it ain't coming at some point
This statement has an awful track record. It's gonna happen.

i'm not even trying to be academic this is just how I type when i wanna properly discuss shit online outside chats with my friends

What comes around, comes around.
The anime community was shitting on SOS Brigade with Haruhi now.

Anyway, people in this thread are not that shit, but garbage as hell. I see anything wrong with the fucking Haruhi. Wow. KyoAni really popularized the use of moe due to their idea to make the character look like real cute.
Piece of shit.
KyoAni made this popular.

Great. Well, Kyon have no idea how to achieve his knowledge for the whole universe (which you said that it have been subconsciously created by him), it was really shitty, like if you comparing to the novel, it will be shit at them to watch at.
>That doesn't contradict the episode order being random.
For me, it's that fucking Endless Eight.

Technically speaking, what a piece of shit. It really destroys anything but the anime and then, imagine, if you wish to made Haruhi Suzukiya was good, do yourself a favor. Prove that.

>Moe is one of Haruhi's many "genres"
Oh, hell no, it's just popularization on using the fucking term.

>This is "soulful" language on Yas Forums.
Of course.

Sure, don't fucking watch that shit again.

>Haruhi Suzukiya
Lol you mean Suzumiya
Be careful by typing the keyboard faster
Don't be a madman

>Sure, don't fucking watch that shit again
I meant haruhi short story episodes

Based pretendchad, maybe you should take your shitposting to a based board like

You guys are these Aqua discordfags from that IQ thread right? Please don't go and infest actually good threads with your autism

Yeah how did you guess?

Yes. Haruhi is a masterpiece, while Yas Forums is trash

>Kyoani popularized the use of moe
Haruhi satirized the fact that a successful show needed a moe character.