I am a bit new to this concept but it seems to work relatively well in terms of business stability and worker rights.
Whats Yas Forums opinion on this?
Worker cooperatives
Jackson Bell
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Elijah Garcia
gtfo tranny scum
Cameron Richardson
>i know more than the combined weighted totality of human experience
only a narcissistic tranny could hold such beliefs.
Matthew Diaz
Fuck romanticism it literally ruined the world
Ryder Butler
Anyone believing in the platonic realm should be slaughtered tbf
It's the source of all utopic """ideas""".
Charles Mitchell
Dont really see any romanticism here. Maybe my picture bit I just used it to get attention.
To the topic of co-ops, whats your opinion on it?
They are more efficient than the normal non co-op business by 6-14 %.
They have a higher 3 year survival rate.
They greatly reduce pay inequality and raise worker wages by 70-80 %.
They also raise the general satisfaction levels of their employees.
>A 2012 study of three Italian towns of similar demographics, income, and geography found that the town with the most worker cooperatives had:
Better mental and physical health, and longer lives, with fewer strokes and heart attacks.
Children were less likely to skip school and skipped school for shorter periods of time.
Less crime, including less domestic violence and greater feelings of safety.
Higher rates of ‘social participation’ (joining clubs and charities; giving blood; voting).
Perception of a more positive society, more supportive personal networks, and more trust in the government.
If it works as well as my sources claim ot these worker cooperatives could very well be the companies of the future.
Any thoughts?
Would this form of business work on the national scale?
How would it impact the founding of start up companies and overall innovation?
Isaac Cruz
>workers cooperatives
what is going into business with your friend or spouse? These collectives can only go so far and limitations will start to arise. Just take a look at average Marxist style economy the foundational principles are actually pretty simple to wrap your head around:
1. Nationalize industry of "cash crop industry" (e.g. whatever your nations primary industry is)
2. Re-format this industry "horizontally" (e.g. it's run by Party bureaucrats/sycophants, etc).
3. Buy the produced goods at under market value.
4. Sell under market value goods at low cost to people.
5. Sell consumer goods/imports at incredibly high prices.
Usually it just results in corruption because nobody wants to sell anything below market value and overpaying on consumer good items just leads to a massive black market. Look at all those ex-Soviet countries that still have smuggling rings leftover from Soviet times. Hell, even in Poland the "mafias" that formed there were all formed Communist security officials. It's not a real surprise.
Brody Clark
people will start figuring out ways to funnel the profits if it really takes off
but yeah why not try it, sure
Luke Rodriguez
I highly doubt most of these numbers. I attended a presentation on one of these cooperatives once and they had to admit their decisions had almost bankrupted the company on several occasions
Democracy is shit in the workplace
Carson Ward
Yeah in theory it works, but at the end everyone starts rising their stipend and asking gibs to the government til bankruptcy, then rinse and repeat.
It’s no big difference with corporations
Owen Reyes
jstor.org
>"No Responsibility and No Rice": The Rise and Fall of Agricultural Collectivization in Vietnam
Here's a very nice article which showed that the entire concept of collective labor is just a flop. In most Marxist countries they simply had to ditch the model of collectives because they under-produced, were poor at adapting to market/natural changes, and just led to large black markets because farmers weren't interested in essentially paying a large feudal levy tax at below market value for their goods. This is a fundamental of collectives, it relies on UNDERPAYING production. You're just walking on a limitless tight-rope from that point forward, sooner or later you're gonna fall.
Jaxson Robinson
In theory most idea's can "work". The reality is if you analyze the theory based on historical models and trends you find that it's ridiculous. An entire system basically built on undercutting value and then overcharging on other industries isn't going to last.
Brody Russell
Overall his model is based on "small Italian towns" - naturally small communities will have higher rates of security, community participation, etc. It's a rigged study.
Wyatt Davis
Why would I want to be part of a business managed by a collective of brainlet cattle?
Ayden Sullivan
Nobody does. It's a theory based on ideological universalism which is already a ridiculous joke to begin with.
Camden Williams
>Better mental and physical health, and longer lives, with fewer strokes and heart attacks.
>Children were less likely to skip school and skipped school for shorter periods of time.
>Less crime, including less domestic violence and greater feelings of safety
Look man, idk where you live and what kind of kiked study you read, but i can assure you cooperatives are fucking hell here in italy, they provide less security and worse working conditions, and usually you struggle to get paid every month. They're also used as way to do money laundering because the state have less control over them, unlike private businesses. (Sorry for multi psting but quotes are shit)
Gabriel Cook
6 men and the priest somewhere in catatonia started cooperate on equal terms to help and provide to their people ... to day it is a largest international corporation Mondragon to get job or any place there or education .... men you can't aloud grabbers in and it is a line of people wiling. Workers coops makes poorest peoples life turn in to middle class in no time.
Think pure mathematically Power is in unity and with out usury ... you have no idea how much owners in capitalist world steel from workers.
If you can get normal people cooperate with out usury (no grabbers and lairs) You can lunch economical rocket , but you need to do that in secret, because grabbers will take over as soon the will smell it. there is some of the tips bitchute.com
to have a place like this is like live in Gods arms.
Angel Morales
Because truth is opposite no one wants people with attitude like yours .
There is a lots of people trying so hard to get a place to live among people with out usury and lie. but only few get pass morality test.
You failed by demonstration of your ego driven selfishness, with emotionally violent approach.
We need peaceful people who just trouble shoot situation and fix the problem. Life is technical practical challenge. Morally healthy people have value . Did you pass corona virus intelligence test? or you just go with a heard of gossiping cattle. Workers coops are best what could happen to any one of us , because we don't have assholes like you. =O)
Elijah Miller
>morality test
>Workers coops are best what could happen to any one of us
Cope
Lucas Long
>they provide less security and worse working conditions
ha ha ha=O) that is not cooperation... who are they?, if everyone is on the board of directors? cooperation is not obedience to authority.
If you pass morality test, you get free housing free energy, free or just self cost symbolic price of everything that is produced inside and you get constantly money cumming in to your account from profit of everything that was sold out side all that in exchange of mandatory 3h per week work for free, as your contribution.
You will be encourage to do what you absolutely love and are passionate about. So what is your skills and passion? and how about your morality? You know yourself better then any one and if you are wicked you will be detected immediately, because everyone around are not wicked. Wen you start to suggest to imagine (lie) every one will give you look , because we do not lie to each other with out usury and competition there is no reason to lie, because no one judge .
James Thompson
bullshit, the conception of a higher ideality outside of humanity is the only thing that stops man's endless striving from trying to rationally construct it on earth
Xavier Hughes
It is not on Jewish mass media and that means we don't exist in peoples minds.
Workers coops are most economically effective survival strategy . Imagine working bees that have no honey harvesting by owner. You work less and have more. Do the math bro
Gabriel Jones
>If you pass morality test, you get free housing free energy
Cool, i just have to fake about being a good and honest person to get what i want.
I really don't know if anarchists are aware of how cucked they are, for them bad people are just a byproduct of the "evil" current system and not just part of this world because cheating and lying is more easy.
Luis Diaz
>are most economically effective survival strategy
Except they aren't and have proven as failures in long term and also open doors towards ideological bureaucracy..
Cooper Bell
>if you analyze the theory based on historical models and trends
Where did you get that data, if not from mass media source? There is a literally human paradise places, like a meadows in the jungle of capitalism. If you are wicked drug user you know the people like you and where to get drugs, even if there is no selling heroin in the grocery story. Same way workers coops do not exist for grabbers, wicked people with low morality. Social gossip share information with relative people . If we talk about work discipline that part do not change, it is only no usury and decision is made together.
Ayden Sullivan
Jews don't like goyim have kibbutz, Jews like usury and lie and when gentiles working using their money
Easton King
So Jews don't like people working free for them self with out owner taking large chunk of profit .
You have no personal experience and never was invited by friendly people to work together because you are grabber selfish mind slave by own greed and fear.
Grabbers either obey in total submission or dominate in a pyramid of power with out violence it is so scary ... because they have no clue what friendship means and how to keep it.
Juan Harris
You literally said what i said.
Jason Martin
>figuring out ways to funnel the profits
that are the grabbers behavior that never pass morality test , get detected by normal people immediately. Rule of the people (democracy) is accomplished by popular peoples gatherings.
In capitalist word rich people are untouchable.
when we get in a circles of equals everyone activities, became transparent, in the front of every ones eyes and wicked people have no where to hide. so grabbers can not sneak in and cause harm.
Eli Robinson
>ust take a look at average Marxist style economy
where? where you can observe that? oh you suggest to imagine , right?
Usually it just results in corruption because...
How do you know that and where you get use to work in workers coops that you could tel what usually is ? Workers coops are not on the grabbers list , not on mass media , not on social media , it is basically hidden and not known.
To by drugs you need to know the guy who knows the guy and be criminal ...normal people don't know. So grabbers don't know about coops, no one invite them.
But why grabbers, lie about coops?
Jaxon Perez
ITT seething wannabe capitalists desperately ignoring factual data