Military gibs

Any military anons here? Was thinking about joining the airforce to get good at cyber security then go into the private sector. Already have my sec+ and working towards my oscp. Pro's and cons? Stories? I don't want to be in for 4 years but I wanna get free school and healthcare and get paid to travel get fit and learn. Been working on a physics degree but I hate being at my local uni and having my parents pay for my shit

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If you’re not already fit lol have fun

Join as a grunt.

There's no wars, so all we do is workout, and play video games. And even better total job security, I can dump every pay cheque into stocks and not worry at all.

Even better with this Covid shit - we don't even have to go to work.

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>Was thinking about joining the airforce to get good at cyber security then go into the private sector.
Bad idea. Military doesn't give you any sort of education or credentials you can use on the outside of the private sector. Recruiters will try to tell you differently and that you can easily get a job after service, but this just isn't true.
The only thing you get out of being in the military is Veteran Status and access to the GI Bill. IMO I think it's worth it, but I think you're looking at it the wrong way. If you're planning to go into private sector you should do so from the start because you will be 4+ years ahead of someone just starting their private sector career.
>Already have my sec+ and working towards my oscp.
You should already be good to go for a job. You should join the National Guard instead. You get lots of benefits, but the advantage is you don't have to give 4 years.

I'm not fit but I'm not overweight. This is really a plus for me desu.
Grunts are army right? Idk it sounds pretty good but I do still wanna learn some shit

Are you American? Military gibs are a meme and "free school" is also a meme. You're on a business and finance board and joining the military almost never makes sense financially. The only way I would do it would be on the private mercenary side where your pay is drastically better.

I'm in my last semester of my EE degree at a meme tier state school in the US. Commissioned officer pay at the O-1 level is $39k. I have a job lined up making $75k right out of school and my debt is non existent due to money from my internship that paid $26+ an hour 40 hours a week for 12 weeks last summer covering my entire cost of attendance after academic scholarships - I made $14k+ in one summer and my university cost ~$2k a year for tuition.

So my school is free from one summer long internship of work. I did not need the gov to give me gibs I worked hard and got a nice internship with the private sector and gave myself gibs. Don't fall for the meme, I'll be making 10% more at 22 years old than an O-5 in the military. In 20 years, I'll be making close to, if not more than an O-10 or 4 star general. Get educated and give yourself gibs user.

The security clearance isnt valuable? What if I get an honorable discharge?

My great uncle worked in the Air Force
He ended up building satellites for the government. After service, he went into the private sector & continues to do the same exact thing for 4x the amount of money
I don’t talk to him much, rarely see him at family events, but I know for a fact that dude is loaded to the limit & then some
Outside my great grandparents he’s probably the only other intelligent family member I have

I agree. I think if user likes cyber security he should just go into defense companies in the private sector or join the NSA. I talked with an NSA dude at my university career fair and they are itching to hire electrical engineers. Their locations don't work for my life plans but you would learn top cyber security techniques from the NSA and then could always leave and do cyber security for private industry. At my internship with a major semiconductor manufacturer the head of cyber security was an ex-NSA guy that now does cyber security for a Fortune 200.

What if I got honorably discharged early, picked up my oscp during my time in there, and finished my physics degree at like Stanford or something

I wouldn't be opposed to going into the NSA I just loathe being at local university and leeching from my parents

If you're smart enough to go to Stanford you wouldn't have made this thread in the first place. Good luck if you're really about it but unless you publish a paper or two in undergrad, Stanford will be unlikely

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>I wouldn't be opposed to going into the NSA I just loathe being at local university and leeching from my parents

What does working for the NSA have to do with leeching from your parents? NSA has lots of internship opportunities and you would be in either DC, Denver CO, San Antonio TX, Hawaii, or Bethesda MD

your initial plan is very very solid. if you have work ethic and are not retarded you can make it. your security clearance will literally get you a job over many other people. it is like a golden ticket. i have witnessed someone do exactly what you've laid out in the OP. they did 1 tour over seas, got out went to school, got a management job with clearance at a naval base, now they are in the government making 90k doing cyber security. the military and working for the government will reward you very greatly if you can stick to it. your intelligence will decide if you are in combat or a supporting role

Idk I guess I feel like I'm not smart enough. And yeah the shit with Stanford I'm just using that as an example, any school that isnt usf would be great.
Alright I'm gonna do it. Oscp user was saying something about 150k with just the oscp which is questionable but I think with both I will definitely be above that 100k mark

Whats the fastest way to get honorably discharged? also I heard tech school is guaranteed pussy and vets get better deals with real estate, is this true? I wanna join and fuck some yellow bitches

Bro the government is itching to hire Americans capable of getting a security clearance for cyber security. Just demonstrating interest is often enough to garner an interview at the very least. Especially with what the Coronavirus impact will do to private industry, becoming a glowie for the NSA for a couple years is looking more and more appealing. Your definitely smart enough they have the tools to teach you everything you need to know - literally

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>Pro's and cons
Your certs won't mean anything, you'll be paid the same amount as everyone else of the same rank. That being said, joining the military was the best decision I have ever made. Pulling $4,300 a month at 22 years old, half of it untaxed, isn't bad. Only reason I got out was to use the GI Bill. Once I finish up my degree, I'm going straight back in and then applying for officer programs.

I hated it at first. I was a shit head 18 year old who thought I knew everything. I thought it was the worst decision of my life. Then I put on E4, then E5. Next thing you know, I'm operating and commanding my own missions. People are looking to me for answers. That's when I realized "Fuck, I'm the adult here". Also, fucking hot bitches in foreign countries is pretty bad ass, and the friends you make in the military cannot be matched by any other civilian faggots. You'll have days that suck complete ass, but you'll bitch about them together in unison, somehow making it a tad bit more tolerable. The good days though? Best days ever man, nothing can compare. You do some totally badass awesome shit.

>Military doesn't give you any sort of education or credentials you can use on the outside of the private sector.
This is 100% false. While not everyone military position has a civilian equivalent, a large amount of positions do.

>Military gibs are a meme and "free school" is also a meme
I bought 30k Chainlink when I was in the military at 23 years old. I also get paid $2,000 a month to attend school full time, tuition paid for. I have never paid for health insurance, and I qualify for a gigantic low interest loan through the VA for real estate.
>Commissioned officer pay at the O-1 level is $39k
You're not taking into account the other $30,000 that faggot is taking home with housing and other allowances. All of which are untaxed.
> I'll be making 10% more at 22 years old than an O-5 in the military
You won't be, they easily clear upwards of $150,000 a year, if not more.

Security clearance is valuable if you can get a Top Secret. There are also strict deadlines/expiration dates associated with clearances, and the higher the clearance, the more strict they get. If you leave the military and don't find a job that requires a clearance within a certain timeframe, it will expire.

>What if I got honorably discharged early
Unless you plan on getting hurt, then you're in it for the total four years. If you're too much of a fucking pussy faggot to commit to a contract, then don't join. There's already way too many little bitches in the military, don't be another one.

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>tfw 32 year old boomer

id give anything to be 18 again and have options

I went to bootcamp with a guy who was 31. A good friend of mine just finished school to become a flight engineer, the guy who drops rescue swimmers from helicopters. He's 33.

If you are able to get a high score on the asvab and it sounds like you will then it is a great path. Look up which jobs will pay highest in the civilian sector that the airforce offers. Cyber security is a good one but there are other more high paying opportunities. When you get out people will want you for six figure jobs even if you have no degree because the work experience is invaluable. When you get out you can take advantage of your post 9/11 GI bill. In some areas you can net over 3k a month in housing while tuition to any state school is paid in full. You could also take advantage of a 0% down VA home loan if you keep good credit but I'd only recommend using that if the housing market crashes. So you can be trained by the airforce for free, get a good job with no good degree, get out and get paid to go to school for whatever you want. Anybody with a 90 or above on the ASVAB should join the airforce.

Haha you don't have to be fit in the air Force. Its known as the chair force for a reason.

This is absolutely not true. I got x-ray tech certifications in the Navy. They paid me for my education. I have other friends who got surgical technologist jobs and med lab. All of these pay around 60k/year in my area. Not lucrative but still proves my point. OP the key is to either do one enlistment or enlist until retirement. Anything in between would be a waste of your time. Also don't do drugs or dumb shit when you are drunk. Its a great opportunity so don't mess it up.

Don't be a grunt there are no civilian opportunities besides being a cop/firefighter. In many places these are pretty good jobs, but you are still limited to just them and a few others based on your military experience.

>OP the key is to either do one enlistment or enlist until retirement.
This. Either do four or twenty. There are no benefits for anything in between.

This is honestly a horrible attitude to have OP. Don't try to weasel your way out of your first enlistment the safeguards they have are smarter than you. Just suck up the years they will pay off well if you choose the right air Force job.

Yes for good jobs especially. For x-ray I was getting paid around 25k a year because of my paygrade. So why stay in more enlistments when I could be making significantly more on the outside and taking advantage of the GI bill?

>I talked with an NSA dude at my university career fair and they are itching to hire electrical engineers.

NSA jobs are mega competitive though

Some days I wish I wouldn't have gone BM (Coast Guard), because it's fucking worthless on the outside. Almost done with my CS degree though, and the BM leadership shit will help when applying for OCS so hopefully it wasn't a completely retarded decision. I can imagine there are a shit load of rates in the navy with applicable outside jobs. Only a total of about 22 rates in the USCG.

I'd say there are a greater number of jobs in the Navy and even the Army that have direct civilian applicability, but the airforce and now the space force have a much greater concentration of higher paying jobs civilian side. I don't recommend to anyone joining the army if they are looking for a good job because you are treated significantly worse there than in the army or air force. Marines and coast guard probably have the lowest number of civilian applicable jobs but god damn are Marines fucking bros. Coasties are pretty cool too.

Got 63A army biomedical tech specialist. 93 asvab score Not sure if I shoulda done air force but I like how the army garuntees my mos in contract and mine is purty great in the civilian side.

*than in the NAVY or airforce.

Army guys get treated almost as bad as Marines but they are not nearly as cool.

Private industry is mega competitive. I've landed interviews with Apple and ExxonMobil so to me the NSA is easy mode in comparison. I think any engineer with a 3.5+ GPA could land a job at th NSA if they wanted to - that's not the case for the top private industry players.

Can't go wrong with that career field. Not at all, but you can get that in the Navy as well and have an easier time. Drawback being only hospital corpsman can be guaranteed pre bootcamp. You would have to get lucky in corps school to get biomed.

Yeah you're probably right. Tbh probably wont even be all that bad if I'm stationed in a foreign country. Hacking in the military would probably be more fun than pentesting companies

What im worried about now is getting a top secret clearance. Idk if I'll be able to get it since I post dumb shit on Yas Forums and like crypto

Good job, that’s a good mos.

Military is a good investment, just join the air force to avoid being treated like shit. It can be shitty at times but you get compensated well for it if you play your cards right

Thats what my friend said who was in the army said id regret not going navy or air force cause its an easier time. Thing is iv never been a baby back bitch and dont think about whats easier but I needed that garuntee of a specific job tho so pop a bless for army.

You sound like you are 18. That probably won't effect you getting secret clearance. Having a squeaky clean criminal record, no moving violations, direct connections to foreign nationals, financial stability, and a few other things will make you attractive for a top secret.

Little military pro-tip that is kind of a scumbag move. Marry your best friend, only if its a guy who doesn't work close to you. You will get to live off base and get extra money a month. Me and my best friend were going to do it. We were going to get married, buy a house, and sell it in 3 years when we both had to leave our duty stations and we would've made some good cash, then got divorced. Problem is he and I both fell in love with actual women and got real married like a couple of faggots.