This whole "fuck landlords" meme has piqued my interest in becoming a first time home buyer.
> I'm young but have a steady median income, as does my wife. >Our current rent is equivalent to that of a USDA mortgage, and it feels more than reasonable to grab a cheap loan >Or we keep rent cucking until we accidentally a babby in the coming years, then take the plunge
Is a mortgage the ultimate cuck and I should just keep on renting until the next market collapse? Should I take advantage of a fixed 3% interest with a 0 down payment while I still can?
if you cant put down a significant portion of the house value you are just cucking yourself with interest payments. might as well rent
Cooper Baker
I can never save for a down payment because rent is literally a third of my monthly income. The rest goes to Bill's, and other debts
Elijah Evans
>Americucks pay rent Is it a cultural thing? In europoor families and pajeet families you stay at home until you are ready to get married, then you dual-income buy a house
Adam Ward
why do you have debts?
Wyatt Howard
if you and your wife combined spend 1/3rd of your income on housing you need to find something cheaper instead of cucking yourself with a long term debt you cant afford
Hunter Cox
Was unemployed for a period, had to acrew consumer debt. Needed a car loan to get a car, as I couldn't risk driving a clunker for new work (drive 50+ miles daily). Went to school in hope that a degree would help me find a higher paying job
yes user you should go buy a 300,000 house and finance it for 30 years
Joshua Evans
The loan is cheaper than our rent. Moving to a cheaper rental means adding roommates (no go with the missus), or living in a bug infested shithole with no hot water. Basically I'm fucked because I got my wifey accustomed to a standard of living outside my means
Jack Foster
I have been employed for 2 years continuously and am >>>>essential
Evan Gutierrez
>while I still can can you though?
Eli Thompson
Wife answers phone calls from home. I think I'll be alright.
Bentley Murphy
>In europoor families most europoors I know rent too. Mainly because the housing stock was decimated in WW2 so the government built new housing and private builders got BTFO. 60 years later you have refugees living in those government houses while europoors wait for their council provided spots to open up.
Brandon Howard
should move somewhere cheaper for a year or two until you are out of debt instead of simping like a faggot
Benjamin Green
USDA approved loan. Basically the same gib me dats veterans get when they buy a home
Aaron Martinez
OP, the housing market hasn't crashed yet. If you have a too good a deal right now? sure take it. but it seems to me better deals will start coming up later.
Anthony Cox
>Should I take advantage of a fixed 3% interest with a 0 down payment while I still can?
Yes. Don’t let mathematically illiterate shit heads try to tell you mortgages are bad. They are the only financial reason to buy a house. Get the smallest, simplest house you can find because in 6-8 years you will upgrade into something better and turn your starter home into your rental property. That’s literally how every boomer land lord got started and how most people with a rental property get started today.
David Sanchez
Have you ever lived with a woman who is unhappy about where she lives? I'll divorce her before I sit through the endless bitching moving into a shitty place would be.
We have already looked at about 30 cheaper rentals, none of which seemed like they didn't have fucking bedbugs.
Charles Jones
Thanks for pragmatic advice. Sounds like what I'm leaning towards
Carson Stewart
>Is a mortgage the ultimate cuck and I should just keep on renting until the next market collapse?
Depends on the market. Good rough guide is market rent vs. what a mortgage payment would be for the same house. If rent is more expensive, then it makes sense to buy, and vice-versa.
Something to think about is that if inflation comes back because of fed money printing, then future dollars (that you're paying off the mortgage with) will be worth less, so you're borrowing expensive dollars and paying back cheap dollars. This is a win for you.
Plus, a mortgage is how you make real money because it's leveraged: if you put 20% down and the house goes up by 20% in value you've actually made a 20%*5=100% return. Of course, that doesn't apply if the house goes down in value, but that's why the specific market makes a big difference.
I rent but that's because I live in an expensive area where a mortgage would cost 2x my rent payment.
Xavier Ward
>3% interest >if you cant put down a significant portion of the house value you are just cucking yourself with interest payments
or they could take the cash from the downpayment and put it in index funds to get a 7% yearly average return. the only reason you would put money down is to get to the 20% requirment to remove PMI or rent it out.
3% fixed and 0 down is incredibly good op. theres plenty of benefits to buying/renting so it depends on what kind of person you are. Buying pros: >mortgage payment usually similar to monthly rent price, but with a large amount going to equity >your property, can do what you want with it (remodel, paint, additions) >house is an investment, typically appreciate in value >dont have to deal with landlords, property management >will eventually pay off and cost nothing to stay in after >want pets, parties, drinks and drugs? no problem cons: >buying a house is most peoples largest investment, and its a hard asset meaning they cant be sold quickly on margins >as an investment things like mold or niggers moving next door can ruin its value >when shit breaks its your problem >shits ALWAYS broken >usually requires a large downpayment, a more stable job, and a longer time commitment. if you move out within the first few years all that money spent on agents offsets the money saved
just depends on whats best for you op
Anthony Baker
Thanks for sage advice.
Any educated guess on when the next market collapse will be?
Lincoln Thompson
Now tell us how leverage works if prices go down.
Dylan Hill
Do you have a wife's son
Jeremiah Reed
Prices are going way up, hyperinflation, your fucked
Leo Wood
No I had my brother's tubes tied the day after our dad died
Nicholas Davis
>Now tell us how leverage works if prices go down.
>5x up, 5x down...
The nice thing about a house is that even if the price goes to zero you still have a place to live in as long as you make your payments. No margin calls on your house.
Nolan Baker
>Any educated guess on when the next market collapse will be? um, never? There's ways for corrections to happen other than a crash.
Imagine a housing market stayed stable for 10 years while every other one increased by 2.5% a year. That would be equivalent to a 30% drop in the first market.
My educated guess is that inflation is coming, and expensive real estate markets will stay expensive but not grow much while cheaper markets will see a big increase. The end result will be the same in either case, but you won't see a big dip to buy a house.
William Sanders
I'm not concerned about hyperinflation. US will bomb everyone into using it as reserve currency. US will bomb everyone into getting oil back to inflated cost.
Proud to be American
John Reyes
Ah, that makes sense to me. Thank you.
Wyatt Powell
>The rest goes to Bill's Bill's what?
Tell the guy to fuck off. He's probably fucking your wife.