Will Italy ever recover?

Let me explain it to you...
>before the USA, there existed individual states. These states were unified.
>Before the EU, there existed individual states. These states were unified.
>have extremely similar flags at inception
>have one money for all unified states
>States agree to be controlled by a centralised, a power that doesn't have the interest of individual states.
>Said centralized power wants more power
Do you thing the federal government is a positive force?
Why would you think that the EU would be any different?

Also retard, I've lived in both jurisdictions. Are you are eurofag or a Mutt? it will help me to explain it.

-do European citizens elect a single supreme leader?
-do they contribute manpower to a single unified military?
-do they all follow a single constitution?
-have they been using the same currency for longer than 5 minutes?
-do they have unified industry?
No? Then shut the fuck up

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Sure, they'll recover when someone makes the trains run on time.

>In the EU you can still have a happy life free of jew tricks, without living in the middle of niggers and without getting fucked by your salesman government.
Not sure about that
What is this imaginary country?

They should

Doomers are funny. It'll all blow over soon.

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>unifying colonies that were barren 5 minutes ago is the same as unifying nations that have existed under different rulers and slightly different borders for centuries
>”dude it’s same, just look at the flag!”
To answer your question:
No, I don’t think the federal government is a positive force, I never advocated for it.
Yes, I think the EU would be different, it would fail before reaching US status
I’ve lived most of my life in the US, but lived one year in the Spain/Gibraltar area, so no, you’re not going to convince me that it’s the same as the US

>will italy ever recover discussed on biz
>a lot of nay sentiment
Ok, i'm buying all italy stocks right now, this shit is about to moon

>be me
>born in rural Portugal
>studied at uni in the middle of the fucking Northern mountains
>never seen a muslim IRL
>never seen a knee grow until I was in my 20s
>work as a consultant for a Dutch company
>make 3k net a month working from home and travelling to the Netherlands once every couple of months
>literally the wealthiest person in town and my neighours don't even know it
>live in home town surrounded by family, loved ones and childhood friends
>happily married with children
I consider myself extremely lucky desu

>Ok, i'm buying all italy stocks right now, this shit is about to moon
This.

>some old and fat people died
>all the infrastructure is in place

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based, Portugal is probably the last country in EU without niggers, thinking to do 1 year of self employment there at some point and cashout some BTC in 2022 while eating francesinha and bacalao

>all the infrastructure is in place
t. was never in italy outside of holliday resorts

>Portugal is probably the last country in EU without niggers
It has entire slums filled with niggers from Angola in Lisbon. They sell drugs and harass tourists.

youtube.com/watch?v=1Ie9d0F0DQY

Avoid Lisbon and the outskirts at all costs. Interior is where you want to be. I think I'm getting robbed if I pay more than 50c for a coffee. But you gotta know the language. Also if you're gay you'll be an outcast for your entire life.

>coronavirus nuked factories, offices, the electric grid, roads and bridges

>do European citizens elect a single supreme leader?
yep, they elect some to (((represent))) them, who then elects a supreme leader.
>do they contribute manpower to a single unified military?
It's coming, it's not like the US one unified instatanly.
>do they all follow a single constitution?
Yep, but a constitutor is someone that agrees to take the debts of another. Both nations use debt based, double entry book keeping fiat.
Also, the EU gov has set up a structure, this is all the construction really is.
>have they been using the same currency for longer than 5 minutes?
The US didn't homogenize, instantly. You do know what a dollar is, right?

>You're wrong as I have to be right, i.e add the 5 min thing.
You know that those states existed (stared early 1600's) so it was nearly 200 years before they became unified.
>Yes, I think the EU would be different
Well only the future can show for sure, but history shows these things don't end well.
>you’re not going to convince me that it’s the same as the US
Please take the time to understand the founding of the US & the EU. Yes the EU is younger & therefore you can add in the 5 min excuse. Can we agree that the (((set up))) upon inspection is *similar*?

see
avoid the metropolitan area of Lisbon and you're fine.

>inspection
thats Inception

No need to nuke what is already broken.
Corona is not nuking anything it will just cause the market to readjust to actual value after decades of artificial priceinflation with EU money

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>Corona is not nuking anything it will just cause the market to readjust to actual value after decades of artificial priceinflation with EU money
That has already happened.

you will regret this in the long run nigel

Porto looks comfy

nope still overpriced

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Except the EU industry is among the most advanced in the world and highly in demand. Americans or Chinese can't live without German, French or Italian goods.

Why? In the long run I see being out as benefit, it's the short term that's going to be the worst.
Why would supporting all these weak states long term be a good idea? Didn't work out so well for the british empire post ww2...

This looks like the Luckin stock chart. KEK. I bought more ARPA today along with 1,000 LK. How fucked am I?

I don't think it will.
It's a long hard road, out of hell

Southern European countries had it too good after 1945 due to purely political reasons, there was a big gap between their inflated wages and meager productivity grows. They shouldn't make more than average Eastern Europeans.

don't get too cocky, 90% of next gen stuff is invented in California

>SELF IMPOSED LOCKDOWN
the world has hit peak autism

and still every startuper would rather drive a Mercedes than Ford

For now that remains true but every day we fall behind further. The EU is filled to the brim with zombie companies since 2009.
Those have still to collapse before you should think about investing.
Also there is a reasonable chance that the EU will collapse in the next 5 years after yet another display of complete ineptitude, this time the response to corona.

>implying /k/ doesn't have tons of anti-federalists lurking around
The EU will become analogous to the US federal government. It's the same thing that happened in America. I'm just amazed the EU let the UK go without violence.

We're all in the same boat man.

Funny that you mention Mercedes as they are one of the companies that will hurt the most from all of this. Car sales are constantly going down for years now, especially luxury cars. With a drop of 98% in car sales, They will not get to the same salesnumbers as they had pre corona

poors drive prius and riches drive tesla
there is no space for daimler conglomerate in the post-corona world
german industry is fucked, so their banking system

>They will not get to the same salesnumbers as they had pre corona

probably not this year but the economy will have to bounce back sooner or later

This year people will just buy basic products but when the quarantine is already over and jobs start coming back the people will be hungry for luxury items again

>I'm just amazed the EU let the UK go without violence.
Agreed, Sadly many are misled about the origin of the burger civil war.

Its was about states rights, i.e the federal government was taking power away from the individual states.

Wrong

> Americans or Chinese can't live without German, French or Italian goods.
The absolute fucking delusion
There’s literally nothing in my home that says Made in Germany.
The only thing in my tech that’s German is some irrelevant telemetry device inside my iPhone.
Years ago I had some Beyerdynamic headphones, which were admittedly good, but Sennheiser and Beyer aren’t nearly as innovative as they used to be.
Germany used to be an electronics powerhouse but that’s slowly withering, their electronics are basically China-tier quality with pretentious Euro prices. They have contributed jack shit to electronics R&D in the past decade and are just a shadow of their former selves
>t. electrical engineer

Also
>French and Italian goods
No.
Meanwhile I guarantee that every component in your computer and phone have an American company name on them and were mass produced in China

>There’s literally nothing in my home that says Made in Germany.

we'll talk when you are in hospital due to corona, then you will see

German Mittelstand companies produce the most advanced machines while most of these firms are usually no-names, they're not big and don't invest in marketing much but the world couldn't work without them.

Americans will never achieve the German standard of living btw.

>go to hospital due to corona
>German goods magically appear in my home
Based Santa Hans

That's not how it works. Sales have been dropping for years now. The market is shifting ever since China figuered out that they can just assemble all the parts they make themselves and make their own cars. China was 40% of the German automobile export market and it is now gone and will continue to diminish after it bounces back slightly

Well the ultrarich will need someone to produce luxury cars after getting all the free money but that's about it.

Surrounded by Muslims and taxed 50% for the privilege? I sure hope you are right.

>China figuered out that they can just assemble all the parts they make themselves and make their own cars

but people want German brands and German quality

>islam bad

>and taxed 50% for the privilege?

after paying taxes they're left with more money than Americans after paying their private insurance and pension fees, also Germans have better infrastructure, healthcare, housing policy, urban planning, just everything.

>German quality
Jesus Christ man, try opening up the engine of a German car once in a while

>how can the US even compete

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doesn't matter what it is, what matters is what people think it is

>islam good
Wrong. Also, Germans are fat and retarded cattle beholden to their abusive government even more so than Americans and are forced to vote for gibs due to no private sector competition.

taxes are 50% in the US too, but we don't even get anything from it

are they?

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says very little about standards of living, Germans get much better quality for every euro

>Americans: Germans are fat

So they can then spend it on their electricity bill?

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without even getting to the medical equipment that's made in Germany, you should feel what would happen to the price of American cars if they didn't have European cars to compete against.

>everyone posting line graphs
this needs to be a dot plot and you will see in 5 years people wont remember anything happened