Shill me tf outta BSV
BSV, i.e., Bitcoin Satoshi's Vision
Landon Kelly
Asher Ross
It's a CIA coin for tracking everyone. You wouldn't want exposure to the coin that the CIA will make everyone use, would you?
All of us here value our morals more than we value money. Even if everyone on earth used BSV under constant surveillance, we would rest easy knowing we aren't CIA enablers.
Isaiah Robinson
right but what about the fundamentals and stuff?
Is it any good?
Colton Scott
Connor Reed
what are the pros and cons of bsv
Im thinking of selling my btc for it, but i need more convincing
Chase Murphy
You talk like a data miner
BSV is the best because nothing can stop what is coming
Jacob Hughes
It is Bitcoin as described in the first whitepper. Unlimited Block caps for bigger transactions on the blockchain
Leo Bailey
It’s the original bitcoin code, live, and purchasable right now. Faggot?
Charles Morgan
So it's a janky off-brand version of Ethereum that nobody's using?
Kayden Allen
This is high quality fomo material.
Carson Morales
Yes but why?
My thoughts so far
Easton Allen
It's worse than ethereum in a way that makes it go faster
Anthony Kelly
I don't follow you.
Ethan Miller
It can't do all the things that ethereum can, because it has no global state (only utxo state "forwarding" within one transactions). This limits which kinds of apps you can make.
But this means there is no global sequential bottleneck. The 80% of "dapps" that wanted to use Ethereum but discovered it was too expensive, will have a shot with BSV. Microtransactions are back.
Angel Johnson
Hmm, interesting.
Austin Nguyen
It has nothing to do with CIA.
Evan Johnson
imagine thinking the cia want a public ledger
Benjamin Walker
gary webb was my first redpill
I remember reading dark alliance and my mind was blown. its literally all in there, all proven by court records and whatnot. and the guy just got suicided. none of these crooks ever had to pay for their crimes. RIP gary
Alexander Cook
youtu.be
you might enjoy
Noah Anderson
another problem is it is more centralized because of the required node storage capacity.
Collusion attack vectors become more significant.
Lincoln Morales
Chase Ward
That guy is a fucking LARP lol, he pretends to be Q from the future. Supremely retarded clown.
Don't ever fucking link him again.
Joshua Lewis
ETH has been failing due to lacking scale for along time now
on the other hand, Bitcoin scales perfectly well, and now has smart contracts too, which actually scale
ETH is dead in the water, just like BTC
only Bitcoin will prevail
Lincoln Wood
what happened to message over messenger you qoomer
Kevin Nelson
incorrect, the blockchain itself is the global state, and you can easily emulate Turing completeness by using two or more Script programs (2-stack pushdown automata are well-known to be Turing complete)
Robert Brooks
even with terabyte blocks, which is still 3-5 years in the future, that only amounts to ~50 petabytes of data each year, a fraction of what large data centers had as storage capacity five years ago, and even more negligible now and in the future
storage simply isn't an issue, and there will be hundreds of such data centers doing mining operations, one or more in every developed economy, so the network will be as decentralized as you can possibly wish for
Logan Wright
It is Turing complete. Payment channels.
Luis Harris
I sold most of my bch after the fork, and like a week ago I decided to sell all my remaining shit forks
I had a bit of bch which I sold first, I then sold my bitcoin gold, whatever that is supposed to be, but then when I downloaded the bsv wallet the transaction from bitcoin cash showed in the bsv balance, wtf kind of shitcoin can get spent from a different fork.
Xavier Allen
that's exactly what I said
Chase Gutierrez
It's not emulating anything.
Tyler Adams
well, it was in reference to a single Script program not being Turing complete, as correctly identified by most detractors, without realizing that two or more Script programs make up a system which is Turing complete, hence why I referred to it as emulation
Aiden Myers
I shouldn't have to, faggot. It's a scam. You were told so many times.
Dominic Barnes
This approach is just stitching together off-chain computations in a way that is not verified by actual on-chain validation logic. You might as well call a regular program that dumps its intermediate states onto the chain as a log a "turing complete smart contract".
Regarding global state, as an exercise try implementing a first-come first-serve name registry that is verified entirely with consensus validation logic and not some off-chain oracle.
This is coming from someone who is a BSV fan -- it is not as "powerful" as the EVM, and that is a GOOD thing.
Nathaniel Perry
no, that's not it at all, it's all on-chain
there's nothing off-chain about the Turing completeness of two or more Script programs working together to create a Turing complete system
Carson Butler
What happened to no outside comms, shill.
Retards like you and (((steinlarp))) glow in the dark lmao
Jackson Robinson
I am talking about consensus-validated state transitions. I agree with you that you can have turing-complete computations on BSV, but Turing-completeness is irrelevant.
Again, literally just try to create a namereg in L1 and you will see what I'm talking about.
Alexander Clark
Wrong >> sorry
Kayden Cook
Bitcoin addresses are already the ideal solution to that, any specific naming of such addresses is by design something done on an individual basis, much like many different actors can store the same number in their phone books, but can all create their own alias for it
Jace Gutierrez
Ok, but you acknowledge that there is at least some class of application that cannot be done in L1, due to the difference in how the chains handle state. I'm not trying to shit on BSV, again my point is that this is the *feature* which enables scalability. If you had consensus-validated global state transitions, it would force a sequential bottleneck.
Adam Hernandez
>consensus-validated global state transitions
that's exactly what you have
the blockchain is the global state, the transactions are the transitions, and proof of work is the consensus mechanism
Brody Gonzalez
You cannot have user-defined, consensus-validated state transitions, which can logically impact spend conditions, without oracles feeding that data back in. You are just repeating memes that craig has said without understanding them.
That's ok, I still have lots of BSV.
Jeremiah Martin
>You cannot have user-defined, consensus-validated state transitions, which can logically impact spend conditions, without oracles feeding that data back in.
yes, that's exactly what you can have
operatebsv.org
I'm not saying there's not a place for oracles, but it's absolutely possible to have a program which logically impacts spend conditions fully on-chain, not relying on oracle data
and no, I'm not repeating anything, so don't accuse me of that, I've spent the past five years studying Bitcoin and how it works, and also have a computer engineering background, so don't give me that bullshit
James Long
> I'm not saying there's not a place for oracles, but it's absolutely possible to have a program which logically impacts spend conditions fully on-chain, not relying on oracle data
This program cannot have user-defined *state* transitions that are globally accessible without an oracle feeding that data back in. An oracle is *required* for applications for some applications where it would not be required in EVM's L1.
I've worked on primitives for both EVM and bitcoin L1 and am deeply familiar with both runtimes, I am 100% sure that there are things you can do on X that you cannot do on Y, and vice versa. It has to do with state transition logic, everyone barking about "turing completeness" is missing the whole point.
Ayden White
this conversation is ironically making me bullish on BSV because it means even BSV experts don't realize how blocking a certain kind of stateful interaction unlocks sublinear scaling...
Evan Carter
I don't believe anything, particularly "the plan" because no one knows what the plan is.
Do you have any problems with the actual video?
Elijah Baker
>I don't believe anything, particularly "the plan" because no one knows what the plan is.
The plan is outlined in the near 4000 Q drops given over 2½ years that it is obvious you never read. You use shill words like "qoomer" and link obvious disinfo shill newfags like steinlarp who is artifically promoted by bots on twitter and youtube in an attempt to divide the Q movement.
Meaning, you are a dumb faggot shill and should KYS
Pic related is for people who wants to know what is actually happening.
Daniel Perez
Right, it's a scam. You and so many others have pushed this one-off generic statement.
Now why is it a scam. And even if it is a scam, is it any good still?
How does it compare to Ethereum?
Nathan Sanchez
Imagine posting that (which is not even written by q) as evidence of anything except the delusional state of q supporters
>corona is a cover. because we said so.
they did a great job of making it seem out of control considering the cfr has grown 100% in 50 days
>gold backed system
what does that even mean. "Gold backed" is inherently unconstitutional as only gold and silver itself can be money in the constitution.
Joshua Torres
even if the us has all 190,000 tonnes of gold in existence the best gold standard they could do is a 60% debasement which is worse the 42% new deal debasement. More fundamentally the "gold standard" is the only way you can actually debase currency in the first place
William Collins
Fuck it. I just want to make it. We're going to all have chips one day anyway.
Aiden Price
reply you sheep
how the fuck do you justify supporting an anonymous shit poster allegedly conducting coup when you can't even explain what he is going to do
Julian Williams
It does not compare to ETH at all. It is a scam by a poser, trying to be extra smart and claiming other people's ideas for himself. Easy to do if the other want to remain unknown or ANONYMOUS. You dumb faggot ;)
Luis Garcia
Alright, I'll look into that.
Thanks for calling me names. I hope no part of what I said impacted your ego in any way.
Daniel Perry
>a coup
Nah, satanists lost power in 2016, but you have been fighting for your lives ever since. Stormy daniels failed, Russiahoax failed, impeachment failed and COVID was the last ditch effort.
Trump is on the offense now, and now you will die for your crimes. Likely by noose or lethal injection.
Legally.
Lucas Edwards
Why didn't this early btc miner move bsv sir? He obviously moved bch and btc but left bsv untouched?
blockchair.com
Sir I await your reply
Josiah Fisher
what is qs monetary reform???
how can you justify supporting him when you objectively have no idea what he wants to do.
Have any of you even read the bible? you know it says the one who comes first is the deceiver
Jacob Gutierrez
Nicholas Walker
You sound desperate.
We have read the drops. We know who you cover for. what they have done. Traitors, seditionists, pedos, war criminals, human traffickers. We all know now. Its spreading like a wildfire on normie media at this moment. Go check twitter if you don't believe me. It really is the great awakening.
Can you believe grandma and uncle Billy is talking on facebook about adrenocrome and satanic cultists in government now?? Oh how quickly things have turned. Thanks Q.
But worry not, it will all end soon. FEMA and NG is being deployed in the states right about now. I wonder what they are up to...
Owen Reed
>shill arguments. still can't answer a question
what is Qs monetary reform
Gavin Morgan
>I pretends like I read the drops, but I didn't actually read shit and now I expect you to spoon feed me information
KYS
Zachary Flores
>gold will destroy the fed
>we have the gold
>structure changing
absolutely meaningless without specifics
>won't spoonfeed
I thought you were meant to be spreading proofs and helping people become part of the great awakening? Just say gold standard or crypto or actual gold and silver.
you have what is called cognitive dissonance; where rather than face the fact you have constructed this nonsense into your identity without the evidence warranted to do so you will just accuse anyone of asking what q is actually going to do of being a pedophile. Or you are a shill
if you ask me what I think qanon is I would say it is just the way to make you accept more debasement, the price is spending the blackmail they've collected for decades.
Imagine believing the self described biggest yuppie of the most satanic city and decade in history, who had his failing casinos bailed out by the Rothschilds is anything but comped.
I hope I'm wrong
Samuel Gonzalez
Why the fuck would I assume you are arguing in good faith when you link obvious glownigger OP like steinlarp and use confirmed shill rhetoric?
Seriously how much are you paid for this? You are my enemy and if you ever received money from the satanists to spread disinfo in their favor, you are going to die in GITMO just like them.
I hope I'm wrong. I'll pray for you.
Grayson Davis
>being this indoctrinate into a cult
Yikes from me
Kevin Reyes
not a single argument.
still can't answer the question what is Qs monetary policy