Which franchise is more fucked?

This.

Star wars was always shit. It's always been the franchise of choice for dumb nerds and normies.

Star Wars but Trek was never good to begin with. Quintessential midwit show. The normies who watch SW are much less insufferable.

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Star Trek easily. Star Wars might be pozzed as Yas Forums likes to call it, but it was never really smart. What happened to Star Trek is far more fucked.

Star Trek more or less invented pozzed as far as tv shows are concerned.

...and then Star Trek (2009) sucked ass.

With Star Trek, if things get shitty, you can always start over with a new ship and crew. Kirk, Picard, Sisko all expendable. Star Wars, it all revolves around the Skywalkers. Who got shit on.

Based Stewart

Warhammer 40k > both

Star Wars is dead.
Star Trek is still going but it's in name only.

Watch A New Hope and Empire. Stop.
Watch TOS, TNG and DS9. Stop.
Nothing else is needed.

Star Trek has a reason to be pozzed. They literally live in a utopian society where all humans are living in a united bigotry-free world where food can be replicated and fuel resources are so numerous and efficient that nobody has any needs or wants. No need to work either, so they work to better themselves as individuals or just because they are passionate.

It's just about the opposite of your standard "grimdark pessimistic world with a strong tranny character existing and acting spunky for no reason" shit you see in all other media.

Star Trek, because people actually saw the new movies. They had diminishing returns but they can sit on it for as long as they want, and the Mandalorian proved they can try other creative avenues and still interest people.
Star Trek is fucked though. CBS is scared to release their viewer count and unlike Star Wars, it's audience is way smaller. When you have a tiny viewership within a small fan base you're not making any money.

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*the new Star Wars movies

realistically, why would any Trek fan pay CBS to watch two insulting Trek shows instead of paying Netflix to watch all the episodes they love whenever they want?

If CBS was hoarding all Trek series on All-Access, then maybe it'd work.

I'm not the biggest 40k fan but I appreciate how the franchise is so effective at warding off normies. Something about the over-the-top nature of the content and the time-commitment needed to paint the miniatures seem to work well at keeping the franchise pure, good on you 40k nerds for keeping what's yours.

VOY and ENT are good and nobody will convince me otherwise.

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The whole point is Earth at this point in history is a utopia and the universe on a large scale is filled with catastrophic, life-threatening dangers and, in fact, it is the unknown that presents the greatest dangers. And the very fact that the nature of the show predicates itself on exploration and research makes it the most unique sci-fi show of all time.

Grimdark and pessimistic doesn't really go hand in hand with "strong tranny character". A more lighthearted setting is naturally less masculine. And as far as the "pozzed" thing is concerned, I don't really care about it because I'm not a political dickrider, but it is one of the first pieces of media to be notably progressive, and a long time before Star Wars did it.
Ultimately I don't think either are peak scifi/fantasy but they both have their pros and cons.

>Grimdark and pessimistic doesn't really go hand in hand with "strong tranny character".
Have you seen TLoU2 spoilers? All I'll say is that a full grown adult is beaten to death by a scrawny tranny living during an apocalyptic scenario.

I would say it's the nature of the content more so than the painting miniatures aspect. At least half of the fanbase actually doesn't play the tabletop game, and have never painted anything in their lives, they just like the setting. I have my reasons to prefer it over Trek and Star Wars but I think both franchises also have some good moments and peaks.

Star Trek. Star Wars was never high level entertainment, just fun goofy space adventures. Sure, they used to be better fun goofy space adventures, but the entertainment value is still there. Nothing of what made Star Trek so fucking comfy and good is still there in the new stuff. It's just crap and not even watchable.

TLoU2 is a game made in 2020. You know the current state of the industry. And yes, you can also give the example of Mortal Kombat, that has a literal tranny working in the dev team. But what I meant was that, generally speaking, grimdark/pessimistic/dark as in, say, a war movie, is contrasted with lighthearted/funny/bright like say a romcom or a kid's cartoon. I'm certainly not saying that you have to be super dark or "realistic" to make for a mature setting, I'm simply saying that being lighter in tone by itself does not make your setting more mature or masculine either.
They are cliches, but they exist for a reason.

star trek, they can't get any shows off the ground anymore, for reference twenty years ago there were three popular star trek series running concurrently

Trek
It's been like 20 years since something decent trek related was made. It's in the hands of a studio that doesn't know it's ass from a hole in the ground.

Star Wars is owned by a stupid rich company with a proven track record of making successful franchises.
I maintain that all disney needs to do to start crushing it with SW is get a better exec producer and do a complete ground up reboot of the entire series starting with episode 1.

How the fuck did JJ get both Trek and Star Wars as his pet projects?

The only godforsaken, unforgivable act that happened in the Star Trek franchise is whatever fuck remaking the TOS and casting fat jew lipped Chris Pine as James Kirk and Zachary "Quinto" as Mr. Spock and don't get me wrong I don't dislike Karl Urban, but he's not fucking McCoy, I don't give a shit what you think.

The casting was insulting and if you are well acquainted with TOS you know how much horse shit this casting was. The only one they got kind of right is Anton Yelchin, and that's it.

You never recast William Shatner, you never recast Leonard Nimoy, you never recast DeForest Kelley

I wish fucking Hollywood jew pedos would fuck off seriously

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over twenty years by now, kek

but yeah, there were three series running in 1995

(((how indeed?)))

TNG ended in 94 though, and VOY started in 95. It's pretty close though.

This, although the future jump Discover is about to make could really fuck that up. Both franchises seem hellbent on making these universe-breaking changes. That said, no franchise has justed its lore as badly as Who right now. I just don't understand why these franchises can't just add new stories anymore. They're so stuck of reaching back and spreading their fuck-ups to past and future. It's like they are actively trying to screw over anyone who might come along later.

Checked, also every character from the original Star Trek is a cultural icon in the form of their original actor. Spock is Nimoy, Kirk is Shatner, Bones is Kelley, etc.
You can't recast cultural icons and have people get behind the characters the same way. Their acting and delivery (especially Shatner and Nimoy) ARE the characters.

If Deep Space Nine came out today Yas Forums would be absolutely SEETHING about the black captain, strong transgender lesbian woman, strong short haired bitchy woman, sandnigger doctor, gay lizard alien and the jewish bartender.

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Yeah, I think the point still easily stands. It's night and day to how trek is now.

I mean, from a business perspective that's pretty based. But from a kino perspective, oh boy oh boy...

If they actually go ahead with the idea that in the 31st century or whenever they get to that the Federation has been completely wiped out and all that's left is generic miserable BSG style sci-fi then I swear I'm going to go and shoot every single one of the nuTrek writers. In Minecraft.

There was a black captain in Star Trek 2. He's the one who shoots himself to stop Khan from controlling him.