The Eternal Debate

>and depending on your point of view, may not even be considered a villain.

>Wants to kill half of the people in the universe.
>Not a villain.
Ok.

It doesn't matter if he thinks that reducing the population would be better. The end doesn't justify the means. That is like if I would want to kill half of the population in Africa or some other overpopulated country because I think it would be better with less population in the future. Nobody would think that I'm a good person, they all would think that I'm a crazy genocidal. Even if I'm right that it would be better with less population.

Heh, let me type that out, but this time, normally.

>Thanos: I want to eliminate half the population of the universe in order to delay the end of all carbon life forms as a result of the finite resources of our universe.

>Sauron: I WAnT To RUle ThE WOrLD

Thanos wasn't the villian. It was the capeshit "heroes" that brought back 3rd-world over-population, over-crowded cities, millions of cars on the road smogging our skies, poverty, accelerated environmental decline, etc..

And Sauron wasn't the villian either. He brought productive factory jobs to economically-disadvantaged orcs and uruks openly discriminated against by the human/elf/dwarf ptriarchy supremacist shitlords. He even enacted a student loan debt assistance program in exchange for their service in his army of interior decorators he sent to show how useful orcs and uruks are by doing exterior/interior redecorations for the humans in Helm's Deep and Minas Tirith (which the racists did NOT appreciate).

They're not fake, but you do have a point. There is so little about Sauron in LotR that it was not until the release of The Silmarillion that that it even became common fact that Sauron was a Maia.

>You mean the fake books written after the trilogy and JRR’s death, I
You mean stuff that was already written by Tolkien when he started Lotr?

>I’m a have to ask you
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I unironically rooted for Thanos in Infinity War, although if you had a magic gauntlet that could do literally anything, you'd think he'd have a better solution than kill half of everything.
Sauron was a weak villain, regardless what lotr fanboys try to argue.

>muh evil for the sake of evil
When the fuck did everybody learn this retarded phrase and why do they spout it word-for-word in every argument about villains without any mind for the narrative purpose of an antagonist?
Sauron is just a force of pure chaos and darkness. It seems impossible that the meek powerless Hobbits could even touch him, which just makes their journey more inspiring.
The story is about even the lowest among us having the power to stand up to great evil against impossible odds. How the fuck would that be improved by giving Sauron some retarded 'sympathetic' backstory?

because it has become commonly accepted that a villain needs a character arc and understandable motivation

Because its the laziest possible writing for a character and actually quite edgy too.
>he's pure evil
>okay but why?
>he just is

Imagine being this buttblasted over a phrase

>Thanos: ME WANT TO FUG DEATH ME NEED TO KILL EVERYONE TO PROVE IT
>Sauron: LITERALLY SATAN

Lotr is shown from the perspective of the victor. It's like ww1 why are French/Germans evil? They just are lmao.

>Thanos has a vision and depending on your point of view, may not even be considered a villain
A really shit vision. What kind of brainlet thinks killing half the population will have any long term effect? All you do is delay things by a generation.

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>Kill half of Africa
Sorry, I don't understand the issue here. Why would you not be a hero?

go back

True user... true...

so in other words thanos is literally retarded and sauron is just honest with his motives and ultimate goal of complete destruction and revenge

these disney shills are getting more desperate by the day

You can't just assassinate random leaders from other countries, user. At least they had goals and motivation, Sauron has nothing.

Isn't Thanos' motivation in the comics that he wants to fuck the female personification of death?

Sauron was a fine villain for the story being told.

killing off half the universe will delay it by what, 100 years? LMAO thanos is dumb as fuck

Commonly accepted by who? Pseuds who think shitty hamfisted politics makes for a 'deeper' story?

I guess 99% of classic literature is lazy too because you saw a meme on the internet

Why didn't he just snap more resources into existence?

>"But there was seen the effect of Melkor upon Sauron: he spoke of Melkor in Melkor's own terms, as a god, or even as God. ... But though Sauron's whole true motive was the destruction of the Númenóreans, this was a particular matter of revenge upon Ar-Pharazôn, for humiliation."
>BeCauSe iTs thE laZiEst PosSiBle wrItinG foR a cHarActEr
kill all marvel fags

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So basically revenge is his motivation.
Amazingly deep

It's better to ask what should he do? He is an outcast and doesn't really have anything to do. So here we have very original motive: boredom. tada

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Because they are humans maybe? Huh? What kind of stupid question is that?

an interesting perspective in the case of LoTR, since Sauron was defeated outside Barad Dur after a years long siege in his lands, got banished and had HIS ring/lifeforce taken, then settled in the middle of nowhere in a forest and got banished from there too after doing virtually nothing, and then after rightfully attacking the aggressors and trying to get his ring back they send an invasion force to his gates and destroy half his soul.

>Thanos has actual character development and motivation beyond “wants to rule all”.
It's objectively childish and unbelievable since he's literally written for children and now soibois.
Here's Thanos in a nutshell:
>I AM EVIL
>but i am also sad for what i must do :,(
>DO AS I SAY OR I WILL KILL YOU BECAUSE I'M CRAAAAZY
>also give me those magic space rocks so i can wipe out half the population in order to save the universe, even thought that motive makes literally no sense
>WOAH, DEATH IS HOT
In comparison to Sauron, Thanos is, quite literally, a silly comic book character.

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Are they though?

Could you elaborate what happens before the battle of Barad Dur? Maybe something about this one island thing?

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it's more believable and real than wanting to fuck death and collect space rocks to beat the guy dressed in an american flag

The Amazom Prime show will be about the fall of Numenor right?

The only way to do this right is to show Sauron as the master manipulator that he is.

>sauron gets beaten and humiliated
>imprisoned and taken back to an island
>tells the King that if he's so great how come he isn't immortal
>tells King that the immortals live westwards, go ask them about it
>King makes massive fleet and attacks, Gods wreck everything
in world war one terms Sauron is equivocal to Lenin.

His face terrifies me.
It HAS to be 'deep' to be good. Something along the lines of:
>im evil but actually im good

Go where? He's right where he should be.