The Great Debate

The Great Debate

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No debate. LOTR wins.
/thread
Fpbp

Absolutely no debate. Matrix Revolutions.

Both shit for children. Watch real cinéma.

Fpwp and let me tell you why

Thanos is a better villain than Sauron

Thanos:
>Has a valid reason for his sinister acts: wants to stop overpopulation of the universe and prevent suffering and starvation of the weak and poor.
>has a softer side to him as seen with his affection for Gamora and acquisition of the soul stone.
>Is well-written and has some iconic lines in pop culture: "you should have aimed for the head", "you could not live with your failure and where did that lead you?", the thanos "snap".
>Overall is a morally grey antagonist.

Sauron:
>Is evil for the sake of being evil, wants to exterminate the world and bend them to his will just so he can rule over a bunch of orcs in a wasteland because... reasons.
>Lives in the country of MURDER near to a volcano called MOUNT DOOM I mean come on.
>Has zero impact on pop culture and no memorable quotes. Most people think he's a big fiery eye than an actual person.
>Has zero redeeming traits making him and unrealistic antagonist.

LOTR bookfags need not reply, don't try and get me to bust out my marvel comics just to shit on your "villain" even further and explain why Thanos is superior in literature as well as on the big screen.

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Such as?
some black and white French shit from the 1930s?

Yes the 1930s were really good for French cinema actually.

>cinéma
Way to ruin your own post like that. Another pleb.

I'm sorry I meant to say The Cinemæ.

How did Thanos have validation for his acts when he could've stopped overpopulation, suffering and starvation with the Gauntlet without any violence? His softer side was an absolute cheapening of Starlin's solid characterization. Making a genocidal planet-eater 'sympathetic' was fucking retarded. And none of his lines were well written. It was all cringe pseud shit.

Sauron is an archetypal representation of darkness and as such is a timeless character, simple as.

Unironically yes, literally anything by Jean Cocteau shits all over this garbage.

that's better

Tldr. I still win sorry champ

yeah sure, pseud retard

refute a single point then cocksucker

capeshit and fantasyshit, both not worth watching

How does it shit all over this? B&W films are technically way worse. Also, they are very often about some retarded mundane shit, because they couldn't offer filming anything interesting, because of technological limitations.
You know who shits all over your Cuckteau and B&W 100 years old? Tarkovsky? Sorcerer?
Watching older movies/films can be okay but don't pretend those 80+ years old dinosaurs are even remotely close to LotR.
Film is a visual medium, mostly. If it has better visuals, it's better film. FIlm can also have plot/themes and shit like that at level so high it dwarfs bad visuals but it rarely happens.
LotR is almost perfect on all fronts. Why?
You don't go and cook your meal on fire in some forest or cave. You cook it in your kitchen.
Fuck you and fuck /film/ pseud niggers
Capeshit is still trash btw.

based

Is this some out-of-season april fools joke or you're just retarded? LOTR beats Manchild Cinematic Universe by a milestone.

Thanos is a complex and deep villain. His desires are genuinely selfless, and therefore conflict with what he truly wants, causing him to make sacrifices. It’s called a complex character.

However, pseuds will still tell you “erghh muh evil big bad who wants power...just because” is far deeper. It’s 2 dimensional lazy writing.

Careful sweety, your faggot is showing.

>11 oscars
>17 in the entire trilogy (3 movies)
vs
>zero oscars
>3 oscars (for nigger pandering) in 25 oscars
That's a big OOF for (you)

Yeah bro cause oscars are obviously the defining quality of what makes films good. I forgot parasite was a fucking masterpiece.

*25 movies, obviously the MCU won win 25 oscars even if they are the only ones left making movies

Lol you're an idiot. He could've fixed the world with the Gauntlet. Making him 'sympathetic' (aka mentally retarded) so he didn't traumatize the zoomers doesn't make him fucking complex either.

Parasite is objectively superior to all Avengers flicks combined though, you picked a bad example

>$1.1b at the box office (back when the record was $1.9b so it aint that good even adjusted for inflation)
vs
>$2.8b gigachad that defeated the menace that is James Cameron
OOOOOOFFFF

>if it has better visuals it's a better film
so by this logic ready player one is a better film than gone with the wind
never mind I can see why sword and sorcery resonates so viscerally in your little brained head

>tfw this is true
embarrassing for Tolkien to be outmatched by capeshitters

Endgame easy. No debate lol.

“fixed” how exactly? Spawning more resources? He didn’t want to be worshipped as some god necessary to allow people to live. He wanted people to fend for themselves and succeed naturally. Also plenty of other MCU villains weren’t sympathetic. It wasn’t to appeal to kids, it was to add complexity, there were a lot more darker themes in this than in earlier MCU films.

>2.8b
is the fact every window-licking autist went to see that piece of shit eighteen times really indicative of quality though, user?

>le box office meme
Lmao how could Endgame lose the only oscar it was nominated for? How fucking incompetent can a director be?

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>objectively better
Okay brainlet, someone clearly understands how cinema works. Objectively better in terms of viewership or box office? Because oh Infinity War obliterates it

No not by "spawning more resources", the Gauntlet has infinite power, he could've fixed shit without even physically altering the universe, there's countless ways he could've fixed shit with the power of the stones. "Wanting people to fend for themselves" and then indiscriminately wiping half of them out makes zero moral sense. He was a shittily written character.

Every person who think that Avengers are at least as good movies as LOTR is an idiot and must be sterilized so their retarded genes wont pass on.

>Objectively better in terms of viewership or box office?
No, in terms of quality learn to read capeshitter. That's why it won a bunch of awards while Avengers is universally regarded a joke in a joke genre whose quality peak was a movie made by fucking Nolan

>He thinks Oscars => Quality
OH NONONONONONO

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Like what?? Name literally one. The universe is one big equation, in that equation there are finite resources, and too many species consuming those. Yeah the problem could happen again but his solution buys years of time. The process is random and therefore fair. It’s the same shit as letting corona sweep through and claim who it does rather than crippling the entire global economy for it but thank god we’re protecting the elderly that’ll die in 10 years anyway

Not even a bookfag and I gotta say that's a lot of bullshit. Sauron's goal was to rule everyone. He was evil because of this in the same way a tyrant is evil. He didn't want to rule over orcs, they were just the easiest creatures to bend to his will as well as being the most populous in the region that LoTR is set. You can see he rules over men as well as trolls and multiple types of monster.

>quality
>objective
hmm
I think that’s an oxymoron you oxyretard

based

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RPO is CGI mess, retard and fuck off with your "realism is king" pseud """logic""", nigger
you don't actually enjoy those 80 years old movies, you watch them because you want to feel better about yourself

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"realism is king" kek where the fuck did I say that buddy boy? Old movies are actually very enjoyable and comfy, you'll understand once you have sex and start to grow up a little. Your fucking manboy CGI epics do not age well past your twenties.

>alexa invent time travel or something lol
>you cant change the past bro oh wait you can wtf lol
>you can only travel back in time a few times because some particles or some sheeeit nigga oh wait thanos brought his whole army wtfffffffffff lmao
How do you want these movies to compete with actual KINO if they don't make any fucking sense?

older than you, retard
also
>enjoyable, comfy
not an argument. No film is comfier than LotR, faggot. ANd it's not CGI epic. They use CGI but they still mostly use live sets and nature shots.

>children’s movie
>plot too complex for you to understand
okay buddy