Is canon the biggest cancer is storytelling...

Is canon the biggest cancer is storytelling? Rather is nerd culture and its obsession rug canon the worst thing to plague storytelling?

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>they were planning on doing a Cassian Andor series

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The most expansive a fictional universe is, the more a need for a "canon" becomes. With so many creators dabbling in it, shit becomes confusing.

Then consider, do I want to read a book or watch a movie or get through a whole TV show if the material has no bearing on the rest of the universe?

Only if that piece of material has merit by itself.

Canon is a useful tool in storytelling, it gives the world history and a sense of scale. The Mandolorian uses it well to explore a singular character in a much larger universe. The sequels disregard canon and came out like shit.

cancer is letting your phone autocorrect you without you noticing it and then posting anyway.

the best star wars is Star Wars Ewoks

they're all ages of rebellion

Nah, you don't need "canon" to enjoy a work. Blade Runner, 5th Element, the Matrix, Total Recall, Alien are all great films that create unique and fantastical worlds without "canon", because they tell good stories and had a creative team that used visual directions and set pieces to pull audiences in. All canon does is remove actually storytelling and replace it with honestly, I don't even know what? Trivia I guess. What story was there to tell in Solo or Rogue One? What themes or ideas were presented or explored. At the end of the day, all most people got out of those was, "So that's how it happened". And that's the problem with canon. It's for idiot nerds to sperg over how something happened, but ignores the higher level brain stimulation necessary in making a story good.

You guys ever watch any Leiji Mastumoto anime? There is zero canon. Every time there's a new movies or series, he does whatever the fuck he wants with his characters. The Japanese seem to do this often, actually. See all the Godzilla movies that are actually just rebooted sequels to the 1954 one (it's a lot). I prefer this approach. I'm really tired of hard science autists trying to push their autism into storytelling, which they know shit about. The next guy who tells me "hard magic" is a thing and there should be concrete rules to such a thing should fucking kill themselves

Canon can absolutely be taken too far

Never design your canon around a throw-away line like "you fought with my father in the clone wars?". Your movie will have plot holes fans and haters sperg over anyway, dropping this shit is a low price to pay to make a good movie.

Also by your picture I'm wondering if you're confusing canon with "story universe" which is just straight up cancer down to the bone marrow.

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Anybody even know what "canon" means originally? It's just whatever the most important work is, and what will "last" . All work after it is influenced by it and part of the tradition. That doesn't mean you can't change anything when you make things after the canon. That's not what it means. Nerds have made up their own definition to suit their autistic need for everything to be written like a science manual.

>age of Rebellion
>age of resistence

Jesus christ its so embarassingly bad. Especially considering that each the age of "rebellon" is only 30 years and the "age" of resistence is... from what I can tell no more than a couple of months.

TBHQ the entire "sequal trilogy" is basically a terrorist attack and a short small war over some empire rump state.

Disney really fucked up the history books of the galaxy would basically include it as a footnote to the earlier Cone Wars, short liver Empire and rebellion.

** there were several smaller post conflicts dealing with imperial remenants"

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>is a consistent story the biggest cancer in storytelling
Yes.

I completely agree with what you're saying. As for the picture, I just searched Star Wars canon, and it was one of the first pictures I found, since I figured the picture wouldn't be all that relevant. And yes, story universe is even worse than canon. Most of the films or works in the "universe" only exist to explain another piece or to "give more insight" (see Iron-man 2, Avengers: AoU, or Captain Marvel as the most egregious examples).

Or like Gundam or Macross, where there is a timeline, but neither Tomino nor Kawamori really care about it as much as the timeline can serve as a vehicle for whatever story they want to tell at the time. This isn't to say that their stories are perfect or even good at times, but at least you can tell that they're trying to tell a story first and foremost and whatever "canon" is in there tends to be an Easter egg.

Canon is good and bad. If its getting in the way of good storytelling, its bad. The good part about it is that it promotes consistency to avoid bad writing and apathetic writers.

Canon isn't a consistent story, because these are all different stories (not even just talking about Star wars in this case).

>Trivia I guess. What story was there to tell in Solo or Rogue One?

This isn't the fault of canon you moron.

No brand recognition shit is. Star wars should have been a movie from 1977 and that's it.

Just to elaborate, consistency is not bad, its when it becomes a straightjacket to storytelling it becomes bad, with the little details of history overwhelming story narratives or bad writers sticking with their awful storylines to promote consistency above everything else.

i wouldn't call the three last movies canon

Star Wars is the biggest cancer for storytelling. It made brainless flashy movies that were essentially cartoons popular and made cognitive, plot-driven movies unpopular. So thanks to Star Wars you get capeshit and video game movies. Hope you’re happy.

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>Is canon the biggest cancer is storytelling?
Shit writers are the cancer.

storytelling has been ruined collectively by nerd obsession with continuity and plot holes and theories. like filmmakers nowadays are more concerned with making up stories that the viewers won't predict ahead of time and post on reddit instead of making stories that narratively satisfy and make sense. its a cancer

>Blade Runner, 5th Element, the Matrix, Total Recall, Alien are all great films that create unique and fantastical worlds without "canon"
There is no canon because those are the first films in their franchise or standalones you retard. The anti canon argument is being advanced because of the proliferation of shit writers who lack the imagination to create their own fictional universe and must latch onto the work of others like a parasite. Pic related.

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>Nah, you don't need "canon" to enjoy a work
Correct but if your story continues on from another story it needs to logically follow the story that came before. Original stories are always great but that’s obviously not where canon comes in.

yeah you can remove the top 3 as well

brand recognition because people are too braindead to stop consooming

Franchises need to either have a very well-defined canon that sets rules and boundaries of the universe for the story to follow... Or alternatively no canon or continuity whatsoever and the whole and the whole universe has this surrealist element to it such as Aqua Teen Hunger Force or Half-Life.

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Canon in the sense of "world consistency" is absolutely important for a story. Luke is a human. Luke grew up on Tatooine. Those are canon. Is Luke suddenly appear in Return of the Jedi as a purple alien it wouldn't make sense.

From scanning over this thread, it sounds like your issue is more with writers trying to explain every little detail of the canon "Hey they mentioned the Kessel Run that one time, let's make a movie about it", which is not the same thing as having a canon to begin with.

>remove the top 3

I'm afraid I can't do that Dave.

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The problem with canon is that when you focus on it too much, it ends up that your stories constantly have to one up each other (see Doctor Who and Star Wars)

What the fuck was the Resistance resisting?

>Doctor Who
>canon

That show's whole schitck is that it has virtually no continuity whatsoever beyond the seasonal level, which is how they're able to change actors constantly.