Tfw no free will

Society has already put you in your mothers basement because we don't have the technology to deal with your level of autism yet. But no, you're not responsible.

I think Sam is a smug retard.

What predetermined and determination structure created this opinion?

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>Hitler actually did nothing wrong according to Sam Harris
Holy shit, is he actually a based Jew?

You... handler?

free will being an illusion =/= nobody can take blame or responsibility for their actions

you can say that from the point of view of the universe, no human has true free will, but from the human societal perspective, you can still carry on and operate as if everybody is responsible for their own actions, because not to do so would be idiotic

>is-ought bridge destroys entire philosophy
>backtracks on atheism for la trash "spirituality"

That sounds silly. "No, you don't have free will... but in order to punish you, let's pretend you do."

This is why atheism and pure secularism are ultimately retarded and self defeating, it posits that nothing actually has intrinsic value but insists that people all be nice and work towards some nebular idea of "progress" just because we say so

Moral high grounding from these faggots is so irritating, if you believe in nothing and that your own consciousness is nothing more than an accident then you have no place telling everyone else how they should think and behave

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we dont have the free will to choose not to punish them

If someone is punished, that's determined. If they're not, that's also determined.

Do you want to up-end the system? How would you do so? By implementing exterior free-will onto a deterministic system? But, you're part of a deterministic system, as well; thus, the system changing either happens or it doesn't and you either do or don't change it -- not of your own accord, of course, since that would imply you're freely acting.

i think it would be more like "your actions were determined by the state of the universe, but we cannot simply let you continue murdering people, so we are going to lock you up or kill you"

i think that the biggest thing that the free will illusion theory would change is changing our perspective about vindictive actions. you can still prevent bad actions from happening again, but it shouldn't come from a perspective of revenge

im not going to kill anyone because i dont want anyone to kill me in return

you dont need god to make this conclusion and apply it to literally everything

Why does these people have to turn everything into simple binary systems? The fact that we don't have complete, absolute free will doesn't mean that we have no choice at all. Seems a bit simplistic to me. Anyways, I'm not an """"intelectual"""""

Whether or not they feel a certain way is determined.

If you want to change perspective, that means they're acting out of their own free will to change it -- which you can't.

You also can't prevent actions since they're, as mentioned before, determined.

>we cannot simply let you continue
Nobody is letting me continue or not. Neither I'm doing it or not. It's the universe rules.

atheism in itself does not prescribe any action or guide. just like the theory of gravity or evolution is descriptive, not prescriptive.

i'm not fully understanding your second paragraph. who would have a better "place" in telling people what to do?

i really hate the way he talks he speaks like a smug douche

If we talk about things we can be absolutely sure of existing, the main one is ourselves, right? Cogito ergo sum. We might doubt our perceptions of other things. We have to take a leap of faith to accept the existence of objects outside of ourselves.
So once you take that leap and you build all these scientific theories around the observable world, how can you then go on to deny the existence of your own consciousness? How can you use models of things within our perception to disprove the one thing we know absolutely must exist?

Yes.

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>Religion is bad!
>Download my mindfulness app!
The nerve of this kike.

>The fact that we don't have complete, absolute free will doesn't mean that we have no choice at all
yes it does. the argument is about the agency of ALL of a person's actions. if you have even the slightest sliver of true agency, then free will CANNOT be an illusion. it indeed is all or nothing.

I do too, he has good guests. As much as I like topics, man I don't know if I would want to have a beer with the guy. He's pretty fuckin dry

all of that is true. but let me ask you: how do things happen in the world? why do things change? information gets passed around, states of things change, and people do things. our discussion can be determined from the state of the universe and its laws of changing state, yet things can still change and our discussion can still effect other things and be part of the change.

the change is already determined

That's the goal.
>Nothing matters, Goyim. Consoom and seek pleasure.

>Buy someone else's research
>scratch out their name and weite yours
>get PhD
There are still people who trust (((scientists)))

>yes goy, you've got no free will. It's just science, deal with it

>2020
>Being a determinist
Pathetic

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I'll make this simple for any free will fuckin retards.

When you make a choice, you make a choice based on the state the universe is in. Keeping this in mind, if you went back in time to the moment you made a choice, it would be the same every fucking time, provided when you rewound, the universe was in its same state as well. There is no reason to believe one trillion out of one trillion times we run this experiment that you would choose any differently. We have no reason to believe you could. You are not the conscious author of your own thoughts, this would require you to think them before you think them.

bye bye free-will babies

ta ta

*does baby hand wave gesture*

>no true free will
>"idiotic" to not act as if there were

Fucking retard