Is he a great writer?

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Im a little disapointed we never got to know Bran's tax policy.

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Maybe about the Jets

I agree, although its reputation has been sullied by the show and the fact that we live in the age of memes.

About the prose, it's been a while since I've done a reread but what chapters did you have in mind where it becomes beautiful? From memory I'd say the dragons being hatched and the Blackwater stuff from Tyrion's POV

This.

And it's actually from a very good chapter too boot. Really, her wandering the fields before the Dothraki find her in the book vs. the show really does show how woeful of an adaption it is. I swear animation is the best way to do the series.

In case anyone seriously buys into the 'GRRM hates and thinks he's better than Tolkien!' meme:

>When I finished Fellowship of the Ring, it was the only volume out in paperback. I had to wait for Ace to bring out The Two Towers, and again for The Return of the King. Not a long wait, admittedly, but somehow it seemed like decades. The moment I got my hands on the next volume, I put everything else aside so I could read it, but halfway through The Return of the King, I slowed down. Only a few hundred pages remained, and once they were done, I would never be able to read The Lord of the Rings for the first time again. As much as I wanted to know how it all came out, I did not want the experience to be over - that was how fiercely I loved those books... as a reader.

>As a writer, however, I was seriously daunted by Tolkien. When I read Robert E. Howard, I would think, "Someday I may be able to write as well as him, " and when I read Lynn Carter or John Jakes, I would think, "I can write better stuff than this right now!" But when I read Tolkien, I despaired. "I will NEVER be able to do what he's done," I would think. "I will never be able to come close

He's written 4 good books: AGOT, ACoK, ASOS, and ADWD. AFFC was mediocre.

He would be a better writer if he didn't spend 1000 pages on boring/hate-able characters like Catelyn, Sansa, and Briene and instead sped up their arcs or wrote their stories from someone else's perspective. Catelyn's POV should have been replaced by Edmure or Robb in book 2, Sansa POV is almost always boring as sin, and Briene is so incompetent in her quest that it hurts to read (especially as the reader knowing that she has no chance of succeeding)

Clive Barker writes better fantasy than either of them. Read Imajica.

Also

what would the CW network finish it?
>youtube.com/watch?v=YLwxXdLhf08

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No, he created a world that is both great and batshit insane but he filled that world with mostly retarded people.

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He's just being kind. ASOIAF is miles better than LOTR (unless you're under 12, I guess)

I have only read ASoIaF. I know a lot about Tolkien's work without having read his books, so can you explain to me, seeing as how you've implied you've read both, why ASoIaF is better (otherwise I'm going to assuming you're simply baiting and fish for (You)s from angry Tolkienfags)?

He’s not a great artist but he’s an excellent writer of genre fiction. Better than Tolkien, or at least more accessible for people who aren’t literal children.

>tolkienshit in the 21st century
horribly derivative, an hour of crusader kings 2 would teach you more about feudalism than this dragon wizard, ice man schlock, oh but now people die and shit, muh realism deconstruction. Dude Everybody poops meets the twin towers.

He gets a lot of shit here, a lot of it deserved, but he is a good writer at the end of the day. Created a really interesting world with an engaging plot and that manages to reflect on a lot of different themes in a not-hamfisted way, so he deserves credit where it's due

I read the ASoIaF forums when I first started reading the books in like 2014 and I was 17 and this lit autists called Miodrag Zarkovic (some Serbian journalist guy. You can find him in YouTube videos and all on Serbian daytime tv) argued very strongly that the series is in fact a genre-transcending masterpiece.

Sapkowski with the witcher saga is far better

You haven't read the books have you? I bet you've only made wild assumptions based on memes and shit rather than reading the actual source material and developing your own opinion.

No, he needs to brush up on his tax policies.

Oh, and he made a damn documentary about the telly show which he hates.

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Sadly... fuck yes. He's probably one of the best living non-wanky writers in the world. Top 20 at a minimum.

That's why people get so pissed about his output speed. If he sucked no one would care.

>Clive Barker
literally who.

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Clive is a truly great one, but we are talking about “epic fantasy”

Lol

Why wasn't this in season 1?

No, hes just another Jew obsessed with subverting European ideals.

>Is he a great writer?
that would imply he actully writes stuff

Not him but in general Martin’s characters are much, much more relatable and easier to empathize with. Tolkienfags will be like, “lmao, you just can’t read a book that doesn’t involve pounding off to titty descriptions” but the truth is when people talk about say, Aragon and self-doubt they’re usually being very generous. We really don’t get very much insight in Aragon and he really never rises above being a dull archetype.
You just don’t get the flashes of insight into the human condition in Tolkien very often that make Sci-Fi/Fantasy worth reading as an adult.
But at the end of the day Tolkien actually finished his story so maybe his approach is better.

Can't talk epic without Zelazny

But the heroes in his stories are always the ones that campion Christian ideals?

Go on, why don't you give me a nice detailed post about how the guy that didn't even know he had Jewish blood until like 2 years ago is writing novels that are subverting European culture.

His books arent finished (probably never will be because he’s a lazy fuck) but its already x3 the length of lotr so it’s obviously going to have some weird lines.

>writing fantasy
No, he's not.

I'd say the jury's still out on whether he's a great artist or just an entertaining fiction writer. Before I watched the show I instinctively assumed it was overhyped bullshit, and then when I watched it I had to admit it was entertaining but still ultimately kinda dumb, and now having read the books I do think it touches on certain elements of "the human condition" in an interesting and unique way, but I'm not entirely convinced it does so meaningfully. If he can actually finish the series and masterfully tie all its plots and themes together then I'm open to viewing asoiaf as great literature but I suspect he doesn't really know where he's going with a lot of this and the potential artistic merit will be largely unrealized

Not who you're talking to but I've read both, multiple times.

IMO Tolkien is about broad archetypal mythology. Characters are not complicated, the stories are all predictable, and you know exactly what you're in for.

Ice and Fire... you have no fucking idea what's going to happen. You have no idea who these characters are going to be. And no one is ever safe. The characters are much more relatable and their reactions are all very human.

It's really two different ballparks.

But there are people in his books that show ideals

He claims he didn't know. Even if he didn't, people's minds invariably arise from their genes. He was naturally drawn to subversive art the way most jews are.

I would also just like to point out that it literally took a worldwide quarantine to make George start work on book six again.

God knows what it will take to make him even fucking START the last one.

it's true that Tolkien doesn't describe events from characters perspective often, but if you are a careful reader you can understand the character's feeling from his behavior and earlier events,
if you read lotr for first time you may think that it's weird that Eowyn who hated caring for her uncle suddenly wants to be a herbalist and leave fighting, but if you think about why she hated caring for her uncle, why she rode to war and her rest at house of heling, you understand the character better, and the actions not only are logical but also fit thematicly

LOTR is too predictable, too cliche and too boring as a result. It's the classical good vs evil story with zero nuance in anything. Sauron is evil because he is evil, Melkor, as well. Aragorn is as good as they come, the destined king. Frodo is the purest soul, etc. This is about as complex as the characters go. The story is also overly simplistic (i already mentioned it's the good guys vs the bad guys). I don't give a single fuck how many languages he's written for the purposes of the world, I'm not that autistic to care.

Don't get me wrong, LOTR is well made for what it is - a children story, but at the end of the day - it's just that. Nothing more, nothing less. It's just a better Harry Potter.

>doesn't finish his series
>heh, nothing personnel kid
It's been so long since the last book that it's hard to care. I'm not even sure I would enjoy it.

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bruh, read lotr again

This always comes up and the idea that GoT is an educational tool for Medieval Europe is never put forward on this board. If you read a fiction book known for tons of sex and violence (to say nothing of magic and dragon) with an eye to learning about history you’re an absolute brainlet who is probably one of the people who was impressed Stephen King was able to state the price of a rootbeer in the 50s in 11/22/63

yes, but hes made reddit angry, his main audience, and now they dont care about his book.