Forest ultimately acted as God for creating realities within the system, having Devs as his tool. So, their own reality could be also a simulation of another God like himself, with another tool (God himself).
I just don't get a couple of things
The many worlds theory. How does it fit the narrative? Why does it matter for the last episode and the creation of the "paradise" they now live in?
I thought it just had to do with the fact that many worlds indeed exist and you're simply living in one of them, which is mandated by the fact that, changing just one small variable, makes the reality be different. I get the many worlds theory in that sense, I just don't know why it matters for the CREATION of a world, which is a competely new concept in the middle of everything that goes on in the show.
Why was it so easy to break Lily out of the loony house?
The machine changes from a prediction tool to a full-on simulation.
He wanted it to be accurate to his timeline and not a many-worlds creation so he can go back to his literal past and change it/live there, as opposed to going to another universe with a different Amaya.
It becomes useless as a prediction tool from that point on because it's now just simulating one reality, a type of afterlife.
Lyndon can be seen talking to Stuart near the end, suggesting she's there too.
The actor is a girl and this is obvious immediately to anyone with half a brain.
Isaac Howard
By the end of the show, Forest had accepted that expecting to see the actual past he had experienced was unlikely, because Lyndon’s multiverse theory was correct. This meant that the simulation couldn’t definitely be his actual daughter as she was when she was alive, but he made peace with that. The simulation that him and Lily were in at the end was, by luck, essentially perfect. He did acknowledge that there are probably other versions of themselves experiencing a horrible simulation that they hated, but they lucked out. The paradise was basically the same as the computer simulations they were running ever since they used Lyndon’s principle.
What I don’t get is why the fuck did Stuart kill Lily and Forest? Clearly it was possible to go against what they saw as the “train tracks”. Lily made a decision at the end, so really everything that was bothering Stuart was false and he killed them for no reason.
Zachary Robinson
>Forest ultimately acted as God for creating realities within the system, having Devs as his tool. nah, he's not god, he created/revealed God.It was spelled that he's a messiah because he created/revealed Deus(God) >So, their own reality could be also a simulation of another God like himself, with another tool (God himself). I think show leaves that door a tiny bit open, but it makes more sense that it was real world because their world would be erased in the end like all box worlds were erased by moonface girl to create new worlds for Forest >Why was it so easy to break Lily out of the loony house? it wasn't hardcore looney house, and not everyday someone steals drugged looneys
Wyatt Russell
Stuart seemed like the most reasonable one and probably saw something very very wrong with the way Lily was gonna mess with time continuity. I guess we'll never know what that would mean, but Stuart just prevented it.
Parker Lopez
I think he just wanted to kill Forest because he thought that he's not the right person to handle such powerful tool
Dominic Jackson
>Forest ultimately acted as God for creating realities within the system, having Devs as his tool. So, their own reality could be also a simulation of another God like himself, with another tool (God himself).
If you want to go balls deep, within the context of the show it still is. It's a TV show, but to the characters within it, it's a perfectly cogent universe.
But this is also the basis of simulation theory. If at some point technology will progress to the point that a perfect simulation could exist, it becomes more likely that we are loving in a simulated reality than not. Not that this makes any real difference to anything.
Alexander Carter
One of the worst tv series I've watched in a long time. Reddit tier pseudo-intellectual garbage designed to make 100 IQ normies feel smart. Terrible acting and the characters were cringe. I came into it with big expectations because I really like Ex Machina, but it was a huge letdown.
Landon Kelly
>nah, he's not god, he created/revealed God.It was spelled that he's a messiah because he created/revealed Deus(God)
so what is God? The prediction? The quantum concept?
If it wasn't for Forest, they couldn't manipulate the system to create a world. He seemed like more than a messiah
Brody Long
The system is God. They literally spell it out for you. Deus = God.
Jason Sanders
There's a world in which you're not a contrarian
Zachary Adams
It was basically like the OA mixed with Mr Robot, which are both shows that made me mad, but I had a lot of fun watching them anyway. I think there was a good amount to genuinely like in Devs. But yeah, I wasn’t as intelligent as it thought it was.
Christian Sanchez
In the first simulation of the ending event, Lily shot Forest in the face and THEN Stuart shut down the magnet holding the elevator thing. So clearly Lily was also his goal. I guess his idea was to keep everyone trapped inside? But clearly that didn’t work if Katie was talking to government people pretty quickly afterwards.
Jeremiah Clark
I was trying to look past that little reveal, but I guess you're right
Michael Nguyen
wrong, the security system actually announces it was compromised
Ethan Johnson
I don't hate everything that's popular. Maybe I just had too high expectations because of how good Ex Machina is. If you guys like philosophical sci fi then watch > Stalker > Moon > Ex Machina > Solaris
Asher Kelly
>so what is God? machine. if you dig dipper it's something between the fact that everything is predetermined and actual machine that they build. Machine do not decide what people do, and determinism didn't create endless world like machine did Lily performed original sin - disobedience. and who told her what to do? Machine
Benjamin Brown
first time they fell because it was all vacuum and Lily shot the glass
Connor Nelson
Oh yeah, my mistake. Still makes me suspicious why Stuart was just standing there anyway.
Henry Price
ok, not trying to be what I accused you of, but let's look at Moon for example. It's a great movie, but it doesn't touch on any deep concepts of existance or God. It's great because you see the man unravel his own existance, which is quickly revealed to be a lie constructed by a corporation to serve their purposes.
At least Devs made me twist around in my head about the possibilites of what God actually is, alternate universes, pre-determination. Even if the concept is hardly applicable to our own reality, it's a fun exercise.
I have to re-watch Ex Machina, can't quite remember the plot accurately.
Samuel Roberts
Devs was easily as philosophical as Ex Machina was.
Andrew Price
Sure, I just think it was a bad tv series. I didn't list those movies because they are the most philosophical, I listed them because they are amazing movies. I really didn't like Devs, but each to their own I guess.
Zachary Price
>If you guys like philosophical sci fi then watch I didn't list those movies because they are the most philosophical
so, which one is it?
Christopher Rogers
You literally said that you listed them because they were philosophical, user.
I listed them because they are good philosophical sci fi movies. I can make a shitty stick figure animation that asks a profound philosophical question, but that doesn't make it a good philosophical movie lol.
Eli Collins
She’s a top-tier qt. they made her uglier in Devs on purpose for some reason.
> ah, so your complaint is about the style, acting, plot. Yes, mainly. > so why did you say Because it's way too drawn out and come across as pretentious to me. But maybe it's just a matter of taste. It's a good movie.
No he just had beef with the team for how they handled (killed) Linden.
Sebastian Fisher
This. His dialogues across the episodes really show how he's the most neutral and responsible character. Even talking to Lyndon we can see that. Everyone else just acts out of pure selfishness. Forest for his daughter, Katie for Forest, Lily for herself (she didn't really have much of a choice tho), Lyndon also for himself
Dylan Wood
Why did they cut her hair and have her use a (poor) American-accent? Shit-tier decisions.
Parker Butler
>Stuart killed Forest and Lily for Lyndon
Except that's not Stuart's character at all, and he warned Lyndon not to meddle.
His motivations aren't inspired by selfish emotions, he's the only one who ever considered the bigger picture and the implications of what they do.
Ayden Martinez
The universe was already off rails doesn't matter by how much the only thing he achieved was killing forest rightfully so from his pov.
