How will it be remembered in 15 years?

How will it be remembered in 15 years?

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it won't

correct

it will be a footnote in history. Force awakens was good, TLJ will be remembered for a long time but only inside 'film circles' like Yas Forums. ROS basically killed any interest in the franchise at this point.

I suspect it will trundle along on streaming and online services, but I think star wars only survived long term because of pc games and other material, which disney has killed off.

You know how much people talk about the Hobbit trilogy? About like that.

>Force awakens was good

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you probably thought it was too like everyone else till they saw through the superficial veneer. The contrarions on Yas Forums started it. Don't pretend you watched it at the time and thought it was terrible.

Not the original poster.

I came out of the cinema hating it.
I hated it when the reviews came in.
I hated it when everyone praised it and said it was "a good reboot".
I hated it when people started nitpicking it and making comparison to ANH.
I hated it when people turned on it after The Last Jedi.
And I hate it now.

It is, was, and always will be a shit film.

Right as I got out of the theater I told my brother it was stupid

this guy at least gets the timeline of what actually happened. The initial reaction was mostly positive. Voices did start coming through the disney propaganda machine eventually.

>The initial reaction was mostly positive.
And that's because...
1. It was released 10 years since the last live action Star Wars movie, so normies were thirsty for new Star Wars.
2. Disney branding guaranteed huge hype.
3. Despite everything else being mediocre to outright crap in the general plot, audiences were hopeful that the next film would answer several burning questions.
And then, TLJ happened.
There were no answers to JJ's mystery boxes to begin with, and Rian Johnson didn't give a shit. In just 2 years, Disney single-handedly capsized what was once one of the biggest Western IP in history, and they're paying the price right now.

>they're paying the price right now.
You know disney plus has been a staggering success for them thanks to the virus right?

I don't deny any of your points, I think if TLJ had been a really strong film, it would have been ok. But it very quickly becamse apparent JJ and Rian and KK had no idea what to do with the IP and just made it up as they went along. Big surprise, it showed big time.

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But no really, it won't. Regardless of how you feel about the prequels they still stand out as their own films. The sequels, despite their budget, feel like straight-up Disney Channel remakes with extra diversity and quips to make it even more safe and relateable for the soccer mom and neon-colored hair crowd.

the sequels just feel like any generic marvel movie dressed up in star wars clothing.

About as much as the other Disney sequels movies are

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I never thought it was "terrible". Honestly the shit with Han & Chewie was the highlight of the entire shit, despite the fact they broke up Han & Leia for seemingly no fucking reason at all. Han's death was entirely expected.
The reboot elements of basically just remaking ANH were lazy as fuck but if you really expected much different from JJ you were a fucking fool. Still, you could see the logics of it being some kind of "apology for the prequels" and a reminder/soft retelling of the original, since it's wildly outdated from being almost 40 years old at the time. It disappointed but didn't fucking piss you off (at least for most) or kill the entire series in anywhere near the same way TLJ did, that was just a blatant "fuck you" to everyone who ever liked it at all to begin with, and fucked it all up so bad even JJ pretty much just gave up & decided to go full retard.
Debatable whether he'd have been able to come up with anything good or satisfactory regardless but you could see all over his fucking face in every interview that he knew exactly what a shitshow it'd all become.

I'd pay good money for at the very least a transcript of any discussions he had with Rian following TLJ.

>I'd pay good money for at the very least a transcript of any discussions he had with Rian following TLJ.
I know in public he's always sided with rian against the audience but honestly, he MUST have realized rian completely fucked him.

Tbh it was more 'kiddie friendly' than I expected. The old ones were kids films that everyone could enjoy. I felt like you needed to be a dumb child to enjoy TFA. And ROS was just trash, Star Trek Beyond style.

Rose Tico is on 2 posters for the ST.

Luke Skywalker is only on 1.

>15 years
Kek. I give it maybe 2 years before Disney releases the 'Lucas Cut' edition of the sequels to make another easy billion off gullible fans.

>in public he's always sided with rian against the audience
He really had no choice but to do that, professionalism absolutely demanded it; but you could tell the disagreement in at least the audience blaming approach (or maybe just how much he'd internally given up) when TROS was getting ready for release & he started with the "whether you loved it or hated it, everyone is right". And as much of a hack & a conniving jew as he is, he's always had a legit love for the series, it's a heavy influence in some way on practically everything he's ever done; pretty sure even he felt the "fuck you".

>it was more 'kiddie friendly' than I expected
"Damn kids" & all, but the kids of today are legitimately very different than the kids of the late 70's. Seems a constant downward slide in average expected intelligence.
Try to read the actual original text of "the Hobbit" sometime, that was written & recommended for like 7 year old kinds in the 1930's, and imagine modern 7 years olds trying to struggle through it.

I was openly laughing at it in the theater with my friends. It sucked shit.

like black panther is remembered now (its not)

>better than that ObiWan shit

Were you not here when Glib Facsimile was spammed for weeks on end?

The last jedi will be treated like the prequels, good and visionary ideas but bad executed and wronglyhated, while force awakens and rise of skywalker will be seen as blatant shitty cash grabs.

>good and visionary ideas but bad executed and wronglyhated
Oh fuck off.

Rian is a fucking massive troll who LIKES when people hate his shit. He purposely made it to antagonize. Exact opposite of the kind of director/writer that was required.

It will be considered the misbegotten stepchild of Star Wars, similar to Harry Potter the Cursed Child

Just look at all the damn ill fitting humor & the blatant Hardware Wars reference. Shit like that was never in any of these. He was far more a fan of the satires of it than the original series itself.

Worse, it feels like a knockoff of a generic marvel movie.

The sequels read like fanfiction, and I'm not saying that as a generic jab. against them. Everything from the protagonist being a Mary Sue, the constant references to the shit you actually like to remind people what setting it's supposed to be in, the complete lack of consistency and originality, the characters being paper thin when not connected to the Sue, the pathetic video game collectathon style of plotting, etc.

I'm willing to bet that if I was willing to subject myself to it, I could probably find a self insert fanfiction that outclasses the ST within the first hundred hits.

TFA has fallen from grace, and is nowhere near as beloved as it was, but it has largely come out on top as the most competent of the three. It also has the' what could have been' factor working for it. I imagine it'll become more divisive as time goes on, as more and more will see just how shit a film it was, and how damaging to the franchise it was, but it will be largely considered to be the best. Very few people will watch it though, as everyone knows it goes nowhere.

TLJ will always be divisive. There will be those who believe it to be a masterpiece, and those who know it's dogshit, with very little middle ground. Some will likely give it props for being the most interesting and original of the three, especially in the wake of TROS. One day, when someone makes even shittier SW movies, this movie will get the prequel treatment and be unironically considered a good movie. This will always be the most talked about film, both for those who think it destroyed any hope for the franchise and for those who lament that it's more interesting aspects were walked back.

TROS will continue to be widely despised. I dare say it will be the only film in the ST that a consensus will be reached on. While TFA and TLJ will have their fans, and those two groups will crossover, only the most hardcore consoomers like TROS, and before long there will be new things to consoom, and they'll move on. Even if this film is not considered to be the worst in the franchise, it will be as uncontroversial to call it crap as it is to call Empire good.

The trilogy as a whole won't have the same wide consensus that there is around the OT (good) and PT (bad, unless you're a zoomer). Instead there'll be factions; consoomers who love all 3, normies who only like TFA or TFA & TLJ, contrarian fags and video essayists who only like TLJ, JJ shills and mystery box enthusiasts who like TFA and TROS, lunatics who like TLJ and TROS, and sensible people who don't like any of them.

As fan fiction made with a big budget. The best and worst of Star Wars always involved Lucas but it was always obvious that it was his.

fpbp

Nothing groundbreaking concerning production. Just a loud corporate product that turned into a mess thanks to a glut of diversity hires on the board. Story wise they break everything that made the franchise worth over $4 billion to Disney so it would be best if they were forgotten by everyone including Disney.

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>I'd pay good money for at the very least a transcript of any discussions he had with Rian following TLJ.
are you for real?

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You're wrong. I was definitely hyped for The Force Awakens but it was literally dogshit watching the first time that I couldn't even bring myself to rewatch it.

>He was far more a fan of the satires of it than the original series itself.
This scene is the most blatant epitome of that, aside from the HW reference. No fucking competent director who wasn't making a love note to SW satires would unironically stick this fucking shit in there as is & call it a day.

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I almost fell asleep when they were fighting some CGI monsters when they meet Han

We can't know.
Look where prequels are now.
My bet would be on "flawed but good".

Probably will be too busy praying at the mosque to think about nuwars, desu