Given the similar premises, how and why did one of these two films succeed where the other failed spectacularly?

This.

Honestly while I'd say the film is technically solid, what really hurts it for me personally is that it felt torn between being a Civil War movie and Captain America 3. The Accords and everyone's stance on it in the film felt like it took a back seat to all the Bucky stuff. The movie would have felt a lot stronger if it was a REAL clash of ideals between the characters in the film, tony and steve essentially get that one scene where they talk about it for a little and then it's all about saving Bucky or arresting Bucky etc, and the other supporting characters are all very clear about only picking the sides they choose based on their relationship with whoever's leading it.

It basically results in a technically well made movie but one I never really feel the need to go back to.

Also BvS was garbage.

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Civil War is literally this

>talks about the accords
>something happens
>goes somewhere else to talk about the accords
>something happens
>goes somewhere else to talk about the accords
>something happens
>talks about accords in airport
>big fight in airport parking lot

All in 3 hours

At least BvS has substance and depth to it. The biggest mistake that movie made was marketing as a family film and to children. A 10 year would not understand nor enjoy BvS. It's definitely esoteric but that comes with a price when using well known heroes.

This is the only right answer really

Superman is BORING and UNLIKABLE in a movie with his name in the title. All I heard is how we need more Batman and Wonder Woman scenes afterward.

Even if you feel Civil War sucks, people were invested in RDJ from past movies. People also loved Cap because he is a lovable and scrappy underdog character in those movies. He's not Superman like people love comparing him to. He's closer to fucking Batman because Batman has the underdog thing going being a human beating up on gods.

This. Also CW had a bunch of movies to set that shit up, BvS had the audacity to only be the second movie in its franchise.

BvS sold more merchandising on top of being a better movie.

That year Superman costume was the most sold for Halloween. Sold more than Cap and Tony combined. Same with dvds, toys and shit. They probably did the same amount of money tho CW was better received and kept the momentum of the MCU going.

Civil War is quite possibly the most bland "blockbuster" I've ever seen

Absolutely fucking tired of having to watch 400 inconsequential films to watch the latest one. Its one of the most vilest, disgusting marketing ploys ever. It sure works, but god damn is retarded.

DoFP did Infinity wars and Endgame much better and didnt ask you to see Captain Marvel to "understand" them. Which at the end was a farse since nothing happens in Captain marvel needed to watch the other movies.

JL was shit by its own merits. Its not related to not having one movie for each member (it actually had for Superman, Batman and WW). Frankly a cyborg movie wouldnt have made JL better.

I really tried to believe this type of poster when first watching BvS and I feel like I went into it with a pretty unbiased and open perspective and the film was still pretty shit in the end. Both film series are about the same level of generic for the masses garbage I really don’t understand how you can argue one is better than the other. The only worthwhile film in either series is Iron Man 1 and that’s because they made it knowing they may not have more films to follow.

Do people still praise the airport fight or have they took the redpill that it sucks?

because it was supposed to be BATMAN V SUPERMAN... not "everyone gets along and fights a villain that should get an entire movie to himself anyways"

Go read/watch the Dark Knight Returns and tell me Batman v Superman had the same gravity.

(all things said, Ben did a great job imho)

Literally a Pokémon battle

>Absolutely fucking tired of having to watch 400 inconsequential films to watch the latest one. Its one of the most vilest, disgusting marketing ploys ever. It sure works, but god damn is retarded.
It's absolutely necessary when we're talking about a superhero universe where each character has their own little 'world' all to themselves.

We've TRIED the alternative with Snyder's DCEU and it just didn't fucking work. It was never going to.

>DoFP did Infinity wars
That movie had a shit ton of plot holes, also it 'worked' because the X-Men are an entire franchise all to themselves, with a common origin and everything, so you don't really 'need' to introduce most other elements in another movie beforehand.

>and didnt ask you to see Captain Marvel to "understand" them. Which at the end was a farse since nothing happens in Captain marvel needed to watch the other movies.
It still established her character, which is kinda important because she's in the movie for all of maybe 5 minutes at most.

>JL was shit by its own merits.
Completely true.

> Its not related to not having one movie for each member
While you COULD'VE maybe had done it, the fact is, when you establish all or most characters already, you don't have to waste so much time introducing a character most of the audience is already familiar with.

I dunno about you guys but I'm just happy the MCU established an ongoing universe instead of having to reset the damn thing in a completely unrelated movie about the same capeshit every couple of years. Complete with the origin story, it's just tiring.

Only things good about BvS was Batman kicking Superman's ass with preptime and then looking completely unstoppable and bulletproof in that warehouse scene. That basically carried the rest of the movie. If you want to know why people weren't as interested in Justice League, it's because they fucked over Batman and tried to prop up Superman. This shit is never a good idea from a marketing standpoint, but DC can never help themselves because he's the mascot they shove down everyone's throats so he doesn't fall too far behind Batman. Batman went from a testosterone fueled godkiller to some loser begging Wonder Woman for forgiveness instead of just being the leader himself.

that's a nice shop bro

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I’ll agree that moment was pretty great. I’ve just given up on comic books movies ever becoming worthwhile films. The only ones I’ve ever enjoyed are the original Spider-Man movies, the first 2 Nolan films and some of the X-Men films. The rest are a genuine blight on filmmaking and disappointing in most every aspect

Gee I wonder why?

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Cant wait for that new Dune movie

Is he the second most famous person with the initials ZS, after Zydrunas Savickas?

I hated that BvS fight because I've seen TDKR. Batman did a whole lot of prep in TDKR than in BvS where he appears to be just stronger than supe because he has a kryptonite spear and ironman suit. They could've just used the TDKR fight and added some things. Because even with a kryptonite spear there's no way batman is fast enough to hit supe with it.

Neither was good
Not even by capeshit standards

Frank Miller's right wing. Not Snyder who's like libertarian.

Bvs is an achievement in cinema. The other a shitty movie that was a success of marketing and monopoly

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Zemo wasn’t even a character , just a way to move a plot forward
The stairway fight was nice though and the friendship with Bucky and Steve worked but barely in the film
>bad guy frames Bucky
>an already wanted international criminal
Bravo
Also the entire thing was grey and boring.

Bvs is excellent, if at least visually (story excellent as well, great writing and pacing)

Superman was great in mos and bvs

One had setup and more than one person who is actually capable of acting, the other is DC shit.

Look at how retarded Batman looks holding that gun. Christ. Under no circumstances should a character named "Wonder Woman" look both cooler and more threatening than Batman in a scene.

>I'd say the film is technically solid
>technically
Fuck no. It's probably one of the ugliest looking blockbuster films ever made.

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can't tell if people are being ironic when they say this

BvS was honest to god a garbage movie. Not even the memes that came out of it are funny.

Is this a mirror match, or was Captain America's side hopelessly outmatched from the start?

>set up

Why giving her that armor when you can clearly see she is as flat as a surf board?

Cap's side weren't trying to win, just stall. If there's any glaring mistake in both BvS and Civil War, it's that the writers didn't have the balls to have them actually want to kill each other for the entire film.