Thread for the intellectual discussion of arthouse and classic cinema.
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First for 90s Oliver Stone being the last great American aesthete
He was based
Cassavetes never made a good. Always something mediocre.
>muh actors
Fuck off
>90s Oliver Stone being the last great American aesthete
Good one
There is no remaining American director who has the visual wit and editing momentum of 90s Stone
Savages had his aesthetic pretty good too but I won't defend that movie too hard
Anyone have tried to do a drink game with Sanma no aji, drinking a shot everytime they drink on screen? It would end in death.
There's no textual evidence, it's just my intuition.
Michael Bay
A movie for you
Michael Bay's quite good, particularly in panorama and general motion and color, but I prefer Stone's absurdism and attention to minutia, the only time Bay gets any of that is with a great script like Pain and Gain
It's worth noting that European villages were built in a certain sense of geomancy - the Church is in the center, since that's where all meaning, hope and authority is found - the Church symbolizes the Eternal Truth, the founding principle of the community.
So that's the significance of the Church being overtaken by a madman in the end.
i watched it, it was good.
I don't think the story was intentionally written to parallel the Bible. Maybe the other two symbolize Dismas and Gestas, I don't know. There could be more parallels in the novel
Also to further clarify, I kinda hated the aesthetic of Transformers 4 and Six Underground
Whereas Pain and Gain and 13 Hours were dynamic throughout, those two outside of the big action setpieces, and even in those at points, were pretty ugly
The best overall satire/absurd directors of the 21st century might not ever make a movie together ever again though, Nevaldine-Taylor
I don't understand how one can be a plotfag. Like, how can someone not find emotion through images, work with narrative structure? This is just intuitive to me that certain images produce certain emotions, and I can relate those emotions to how the film is also structured, and I can draw themes from these emotions and relate those themes to literal events of the film too.
I literally can't unserstand how there're people that need a logical perfect strucutre to enjoy a film. Like do they not feel anything when they see certain IRL views, and they only feel things if they're logically led up to or even told out loud? I literally can't comperhend this.
Anyone have good movies from 1940s where pretty lady talks fast
I find characterfags to be even more baffling than plotfags
Double Indemnity
already seen
Those are solid interpretations nonetheless and even though you admit you’re going on intuition, you’re definitely on to something. If you have any more thoughts or theories on Satantango or other Tarr works I’ll gladly read them.
I have Wuthering Heights (1939), Dr. Strangelove and The Killing of a Sacred Deer queued up for this afternoon.
How is your quarantine going Yas Forumsbros?
He left too soon.
79 films watched in 1 month of lockdown here.
Killing of a Sacred Deer is a worthless film imo, a complete waste of time
What’s the source for these, I can read Tarkovsky reviewing movies all day.
Did the Soviets kill him?
I love movies and occasionally go to 'best of' lists to identify movies that I haven't seen before. Inevitably, there are a handful of old movies like Citizen Kane or Rashomon that top these lists. This is especially true when the list is created by a film critic.
Having watched both of these movies, I was thoroughly underwhelmed. It's not that these were bad movies. They just don't wow me the way a great modern movie can. The acting is often exaggerated and unnatural (reminds me of plays). And the visuals are of course sub-par, given the lack of modern film technology. The stories/plot are usually good but then again I can find slightly above average modern films with better plots.
I don't think you can reasonably argue that the Model T was one of the best cars of the past 100 years. Just because it was first doesn't make it one of the best.
I suspect critics often list these old movies as the best, so that they can come off as cultured & refined. Perhaps film critics of 2200 A.D. will be giving Transformers much more credit than we do today.
already seen but those are the only two ive seen
I know that at least a few of them are real and things like his journal make me accept the rest being true
I already answered that last thread you stinker
Tarkovsky vs Welles who is the most legendary director of talking smack?
If this isn't bait the critics who list Citizen Kane as one of the best movies aren't very knowledgeable critics and don't go deep into the medium.
Nice.
I'm running out of movies user.
Holy shit Tarkovsky literally called someone a pleb? He’s goddamn one of us.
Calm down YMS
But yeah I sorta get what you mean
There are lot of movies that pioneer techniques and aesthetics, but sometimes they're beaten by much better filmmakers or even the same filmmaker later
People list Citizen Kane as Welles' best movie/GOAT but Chimes at Midnight, Ambersons, F for Fake and Touch of Evil are all better movies he made in my opinion
A lot of film critics in general however haven't seen many films from before the 90s, and the ones they see are often those that you point out, the "Top 100" imdb lists and such, and they don't want to be too disruptive in their opinions so they throw a canonized masterpiece into their list even if MUCH better films have come before or after
Its unironically why I like Armond White, who HAS seen an obscene amount of movies and constantly references and compares films and even the sequences within them, providing alternatives, cataloging homages/ripoffs and even offering music and art history along with the normal critiques
Hopefully your post isn't just some pasta
Thoughts on Vlacil's Dablova past?