Will film and Television ever recover from its current slump? Somehow...

Will film and Television ever recover from its current slump? Somehow, it seems like budgets are bigger than ever and yet the quality and the craftmanship continues to plummet. Originality is vanishing and CGI infests nearly every production today. Will film especially experience another renaissance or is it doomed to continue down a path of irrelevancy?

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It has been completely taken over by ideologues more concerned with pushing their message then making art. Film wont die, but Hollywood probably will in medium/long term

"Traditional" film and theater setups are just ways to launder money or scam on your taxes. I'm glad they're dying. They are oppressive to the progression of film and built on nepotism.

>Weil Gotshal
Has anyone else noticed that high-profile Jews like actors, directors and CEOs always have more normal Jewish names, but the lawyers and real estate agents always have the most cartoonishly Jewish names?

idk but I am getting worried

I am a real fan of cinema, I love going to the movies but realize I only go maybe 6 to 7 times a year when there is a movie I am really excited about. I realize I am not the audience movies are meant to appeal to

They are meant to appeal to the moiuthbreathing tards that will line up for 10 hours to see Avengers 10 times in the span of 2 weeks.

I am not these people. What is worse, these people have just realized that they just spent 1 month inside due to corona and enjoyed netflixe way more so now they may no longer go buy 20 tickets to see the new star wars movies. Cinemas are in bad shape bros how do we help them?

We shouldn't. This is a market correction. Hollywood overvalues their movies and thereby produce too many high budget films. This in turn leads to high prices for theaters to screen movies, which is passed on to the customer in the form of expensive snacks. Hollywood needs to suffer so the price of a movie goes down so that theaters cab focus more on customer experience instead of basic survival. The entertainment experience has to become much more about that to survive.

Its fucking great. Now we can just stream garbage directly into our homes and the quality will get worse and worse and then hopefully it will fucking die

Law jews know that americans are dumb racists so they act and name themselves more jewey shit

Better luck next time bro. I should've bought the oil dip for FANG at sub $20 but I tried to time the market and got screwed by Trump dumping more money into the market. I maintain it's a sucker's rally.

>launder money
You think? That's too simplified

Zoomers don't even call it the silver screen and only know capeshit. Disney was probably involved with this virus, they launched Disney+ conspicuously beforehand and now they can pipe steaming capeshit onto every Android. I read that their CEO is a neo Bolshevik. It's sad. Movies were an art form and the catalyst of cultural discussion for decades and now a virus destroyed it all.

I work in indie film and can confirm that the ideologue takeover is rampant at the lower levels as well. I think once Hollywood is done it will get a minor resurgence, but the future of the medium as a whole will probably be comparable to opera and theater where its reach and relevance is limited by its dedicated sustaining audience. I ultimately think this is a good thing for the medium.

nothing but remakes and squeakels filled with ideolgy and diversity. i imagine hollywood will die then the carcass will be sold off to the Chinese

That would honestly be the best thing to happen to film. Current Hollywood is stagnant, it needs another injection of creativity like what happened in the 60's and 70's.

So does Yas Forums actually go to the movies? Last thread we had, a huge chunk of posters here admitted they didn't even do that. They can't even talk, they contribute to this shit.

Also, what is the advantage of actually going out to see movies on the big screen?

Going to movies made sense in the 90's and 00's when ticket prices weren't insane. You went for the social experience with your friends or a date.

Nowadays, why the fuck would you want to be in an overcrowded place full of loud obnoxious people that fart, look at their phones constantly, and the seats are disgusting. How do I know? I used to work in theaters in high school and it was disgusting as fuck.

Last movie I saw in theaters was The Lighthouse and before that Joker and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I'm more than happy to pay to see actually good and interesting movies in theaters but I'm not going to support any Marvel crap.

>Will film and Television ever recover from its current slump?
I hope not
*spits on floor*

I only go to the theater to watch "worthwhile" movies. I've lowered the bar considerably and it's still not enough oftentimes. The last movie I watched was Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, and it was an amazing time partly because I was literally the only person inside the theater, but the movie itself was a nice experience.
>Also, what is the advantage of actually going out to see movies on the big screen?
To experience it on the big screen, duh. Maybe zoomers don't care about that aspect, but it's the theatrical experience that I enjoy. If only the quality of the movies were enough to warrant me stepping in side the cinoplex more often then maybe hollywood wouldn't be facing this looming crisis only now made worse by the current lockdown.

THIS

Certain movies at small theaters are worth the admission (only 6.95 at the indie theater I go to). I saw I, Tonya and The Imitation Game at that theater.

AMC movie pass, brah. At least once a week and I’d see any shit on the imax.

Quality and craftsmanship have literally never been better. The only thing that you can say has declined is the writing only. Even then, you aren't entirely right. There are issues with writing being too mainstream, but its generally well done and well structured. Each movie is different of course.

The past wasn't any better though, we tend to look back at movies that weren't all that great if they were made today as being great because we can acknowledge that it was a different time. What we DON'T do is talk about the hundreds of films that no one fucking remembers because they were just as shitty as the hundreds of films were seeing now.

Basically, great movies are being treated like they were the only movies that ever existed back then and therefore normal movies now seem like shit, even though there was plenty of shit back then too.

>Also, what is the advantage of actually going out to see movies on the big screen?

It's sort of a nice cultural ritual, but even with the amazing quality of streaming and home viewing capabilities, the big screen experience with theatrical sound is its own distinct experience that is leagues above what you'd get at home. You can't refute that. But I guess the cost-benefit is not enough for a lot of people atm

Stubs membership is worth it because I use it when my buddies and I catch a flick. Usually spend at least $50-$60 and I can earn the $10 after only 2-3 months.

>Quality and craftsmanship have literally never been better.
Absolutely not, especially with big budget films. The major Hollywood productions of the 70's and 80's gave us The Exorcist, Jaws, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Alien, etc. The big budget films nowadays pale in comparison, they are all rehashes trying to imitate the formulas created by those much better films made years ago. It's only in the smaller and/or indie productions that you can find anything worthwhile, and that's as hit or miss now as it's ever been.

>It's sort of a nice cultural ritual
Honestly, it may be biological. Before that we had theaters, and before that we had people dancing around the fire and someone telling stories, someone else playing music, and perhaps at the earliest of times we had people just reenacting hunting. Those who strayed away in the night likely died of something or other, so its coded into our DNA to gather in places and watch as a group.

Yeah I agree, but with modern tech and months of social distancing, people will be more conditioned to doing VOD and watching on a projector in the comfort of their home or their friend's. I watch movies at my buddy's basement where all of us get together to drink beers and eat ice cream without being bothered by others.

You're not discussing quality and craftsmanship, you're just discussing writing in particular. That doesn't make the rest of the film low quality or badly crafted.

pros:
- the screen is big
- you get to throw stuff on the floor and laugh as you imagine the jannie cleaning it up

cons:
- it’s too loud
- the floors are sticky
- good chance a group of diverse teens will talk and be a nuisance throughout the whole movie

>Quality and craftsmanship have literally never been better.
>The Matrix (1999) still blows away modern releases in production values / craftmanship and even story
Get real bro. It's all china tier sweatshop CGI abominations, oscar bait shit or indie shit more often than not. FILM is dead and it's all digital bullshit cameras that STILL look like ass due to the lazy lighting and post production color grading.

You're absolutely correct. Humans are social creatures and bonding together for entertainment in a warm well-lit hall while wild animals, bandits, and the elements makes a helluva lot of sense back in those days.

But with streaming and the exorbitant price of tickets and snacks, why even bother? And who knows if Covid19 won't pop up again next year and we'll have incubation chambers in theaters.

>- you get to throw stuff on the floor and laugh as you imagine the jannie cleaning it up
Jokes on you. Thanks to shitheads like you throwing soda bottle caps, I got so many rewards and points to get free stuff during my high school years.

>Disney was probably involved with this virus,

you are either 12 years old, have low iq or something

having their parks closed is making them lose billions
they had to borrow 6 billion to stay afloat

Describe what you mean by quality and craftsmanship. Because the quality of the average modern blockbuster is pretty low imo. And in terms of craftsmanship everyone just turns to CGI. Sure you've got huge teams of people popping out this massive spectacles but none of it feels real. Real craftsmanship has been replaced by the virtual. The gore from The Thing looks better 35 years later than anything in horror nowadays, and the stunts from Indiana Jones are more impressive than anything from the Avengers. CGI has made people lazy and thus craftsmanship has deteriorated.

i'm trying to fix shit as a producer but alas it never ends

There's already many cases where it was proven to be true. The Wolf of Wallstreet was made with money being laundered for the Singapore government (or one of those East Asian countries).

I actually like how Disney is getting fucked over due to overreaching (spending all that cash on FOX), failure of Star Wars park, and other crap they've been doing the last 5-10 years.

>it’s too loud
unless you’re talking about the Dolby you need to man the fuck up. It’s as if you want to hear your neighbor chewing loud and clear over dialogue.

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That's because despite the commercial boom of blockbusters in the 1980's, they still required storytelling and practical effects instead of just explosions and CGI.

I'd gladly take the crappiest film of the 80's compared to today's mindless drivel.

>And who knows if Covid19

CHINESE WUHAN CORONA VIRUS

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>CEO conveniently steps away just before shit hits the fan
I gotta wonder if the higher ups in Disney had earlier knowledge of the wuhan virus outbreak sooner than the rest of the world. Or maybe it was just "lucky" timing.

I like going, especially when I was a teen and went with friends we hung out in the arcade and lobby long after the movie. As another user said I only like to go when it's something huge or talked about here

There is zero value in watching a movie at the theater.
In fact, it's just a plain shittier experience compared to watching it at home.
Huge ass TVs are cheap as hell.
Stop going to the theater.

disney doesnt have unlimited money

they had to ask fucking Canada for a second billion loan...

Pure dumb luck. If not for the virus, execs expected an economic fallout which was bound to happen by 2020 to 2022. The virus just accelerated things a LOT faster.

Exactly. Murdoch is laughing his ass off from all the money that the Mouse gave him. Robert Downey is awash with all that cash he got from the MCU.

I agree. Unless it's a certain movie from pre-2000's that's getting an anniversary release that you want to experience the big screen for, modern movies aren't worth even matinee prices.