Finally watched this?

Why hasn’t there been some sort of fan conclave were they officially reject the canonicity of nuWars?
I’ve never been the biggest SW fan, but I acknowledge the franchise’s cultural significance and feel like JJ and Co. have profaned something sacred.

they also invalidated the previous two films, The Force Awakens, and The Last Jedi. It was like they tried to do the setup of the first film, the twist of the second film, and the conclusion all in one fucking trainwreck of a film.

Even in the prequels obi wan laments that he wasn't supposed to be chosen one and wasn't. It was george who gave that half assed explanation that he kills the emperor in rotj so he brought balance which is a lazy tie in. He never was the chosen one.

>Markey’s The Force Awakens co-editor Maryann Brandon joined her on the podcast, and when she attempted to say she enjoyed some parts of The Last Jedi, Markey said Brandon wasn’t telling the truth.

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He did bring balance to the force, and then Disney unbalanced it again to make more money. It still sucks though

They did, and then they doubled down on it extra hard when everyone hated it.
Star Wars is over, time to move along.

The Chosen One shit was never the appeal of Anakin as a character, even if you like the prequels it's probably the laziest and stupidest thing they added to the story. In the OT in particular the interest in Vader comes from his relationship with Luke, not being part of some hack prophesy.

Well a lot of older Star Wars fans already felt that way about the prequels and the special editions. A big part of Force Awakens marketing was that Star Wars was going back to its roots and it was gonna have practical effects and be like the original trilogy. Of course you can argue that it was just New Hope again but at the time it seemed like a good place to restart the franchise. Of course then Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker went way the fuck off the rails and retroactively made Force Awakens shit (or more shit depending on how you look at it). At this point most Star Wars fans are kinda used to being disappointed so instead of the outright scorn that was directed at Lucas for the prequels and special editions a lot of them are reacting with indifference - which is arguably worse.

I think the problem is that the prequels/special editions being bad (to many people - I know the prequels have their fans) is pretty easy to explain. There's documentaries and shit about the making of the special editions and the prequels that go into why and how they ended up the way they did. Especially Episode 1 whose documentary The Beginning has turned into a meme thanks to RLM and others. With Disney Star Wars even the behind the scenes stuff is sterilized and how the whole trilogy ended up being such a fucking mess is still up for speculation. The best anyone can come up with is that they just went ahead with no long-term plan resulting in 2 very different directors basically undoing each others films.

In ROTJ Yoda literally says that there was another hope in addition to Luke, and it turned out to be Darth Vader when he killed the Emperor

Why did they keep introducing new characters in the last movie ?
In the OT's only the Ewoks were new characters
Here instead of developping the characters we already had they added lando, a black chick, an alien mecanic, a BB-8 bis to sell toys, palpatine, that chick with the helmet, and I'm sure I'm missing more but they're all forgetable

wasnt that intended to be leia

also was the lesbian kiss at the end necessary

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It clearly was and they never went anywhere with it.

>With Disney Star Wars even the behind the scenes stuff is sterilized and how the whole trilogy ended up being such a fucking mess is still up for speculation
The behind the scenes drama must've been fucking spectacular, though.

Lucas publicly accused Bob Iger of stabbing him in the back. The Bad Robot people all but admitted they despised Rian Johnson and TLJ. Meanwhile, Lucas never attended the TROS premiere and Rian Johnson never publicly speaks about that movie (it's possible he's never even seen it).

Also, there's talk that Iger pretty much took the production away from Kennedy after her falling out with Collin Trevorrow and bringing back Palpatine was his idea.

I've been fairly smug this whole time.
I was a small sw fanboy. I read a lot of the EU books growing up. I was midly interested in new sw movies.
When I found out they were dropping the entire EU for some horseshit hack stories, I then and there vowed now to watch any of them, and I have not done so. As such it makes me smile a bit to see the masses crying their eyes out over an ip that died the day the mouse bought it.
Don't watch mouse products. Don't give the mouse money. Encourage your family and friends to do the same. You're not missing anything beyond superhero installment #8458377

>fucking spectacular
I would love to hear the whole BTS story around this giant fuck up. Too bad all those folks would get hit by a gag order faster than you can say "begun this clone war has".

The climax of Episode 6 is about Vader sacrificing himself for his son. That's his story arc. The prophecy is just a framework around that.

But I guess this is your brain on the prequels. You watch a father torn apart by seeing his son in agony and all you can think of his Liam Neeson's bullshit lines from Phantom Menace.

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Yep.

was this entire trilogy necessary?

Uhh, get laid?

how is the force balanced if all the sith are dead and only jedi exist?

"Bring balance to the force" was abandoned after Phantom Menace. Lucas changed it to simply "destroy the Sith" for some reason.

doesnt obi wan say that in e3

Yeah I'm really hoping that the full story will be revealed after enough has passed. The making of Episode 1 is great because if you hate Phantom Menace it explains almost every single detail of how it ended up the way it ended up. I swear the bts stuff from Last Jedi is just more PR.

Didn't Lucas call Disney 'white slavers' at one point?

1-6 make sense if you don't think too hard about it. Nu Wars invalidates the entire series and makes it a sad joke.

Yes, but that was almost immediately after he sold to them. The backstabbing comments were recent.

>and it turned out to be Darth Vader when he killed the Emperor
He was referring to Leia.

That kinda already happened with the special editions and prequels. I think the special editions especially are arguably still the biggest point of contention between Lucas and Star Wars fans.

What does that even mean? Is he calling out jews?

Not even lucas recognized the eu dumbass. They just made it officialy non canon so nerds wouldn't call foul if there was a contradiction.

The EU was completely fleshed out and despite having many authors, was fairly coherent while being remarkably respectful of the original material. It had enough material to fill theatres for generations. Instead you got a Mary Sue and the bitter death of all that SW stood for. But sure, the EU wasn't canon. Faggot.

>OT
Lucas has some ideas but GREATLY benefits from a large cohort of creators who are mostly forgotten to this day while he continues reaping the credit from mouthbreathers on the Internet.
>PT
Lucas in full creative control. Lofty goals but realizes he has no skill to execute any of them in a way that's interesting, clever, or satisfying. Complete dog shit.
>ST
Creativity by committee. Completely soulless cash grab spearheaded by the Marketing team. Only enjoyable ironically.

>complete dog shit.
No u.
There are plenty of fantastic moments from the Prequels, including arguably the best saber fights of any of the movies. Rots was not even that bad.

Good luck. Make sure you don't pay for anything involving: star wars, marvel, abc, fox studios, DreamWorks and a billion other assets they've aquired.

Everyone important that dies in the movie just gets revived, what's the point

>oh my god did they do a flip, then another flip, then ANOTHER flip!?
>oh my god 30000 lightsabers in one shot!
>oh my god the jedi just swing their saber and hit the one or two laser bolts shot at them from the 200 guys standing there with guns
>YES CGI YES

fuck you

>But sure, the EU wasn't canon.
Not to Lucas, no.

he's not meaning just the effects and fights you fucking tard. He could also be mentioning story elements and etc, most notably these "moments" are commonplace in ROTS.

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He's saying it doesn't really make a difference if it was canon or not when virtually everything canon that we have gotten over the years has been disappointing or bad.

And even though I'm not a super big EU fan, I kind of agree with that sentiment.

>he
>not (You)
Oh yeah, a 10 minute fight because Anakin thinks Obiwan is fucking his wife, after he chokes her out. Those great scenes with Yoda flipping around like green Sanic because we need an excuse to hype up the mouthbreathers. Looks like it worked.

>>TLDR it did bring balance.

>>Long answer:
If they would have actually ended the Star wars universe with episodes 1-6, then it would have been balanced. Luke was not a true Jedi in the traditional sense, nor was his father. He and his father were both really gray Jedis. They achieve balance because in the universe that episode 1 takes place in, the Jedi are vastly outnumbering the Sith. As far as they're concerned the sith don't even exist anymore. Until the sith finally secretly works its way into the most powerful positions that they can use to destroy their enemies the Jedi which palpatine believes he has by turning and it can completely to the dark side. While he was turned to The darkside he was in his own nature a gray Jedi because he didn't truly believe the dogma of the Jedi.

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>>Continued

For both Anakin and Luke, the Jedi Masters told then they were too old to become Jedi. Jedi were traditionally taken at a very young age in groomed into the hyper conservatively almost Catholic priesthood style religious order. Anakin and Luke both had enough time with their families growing up poor did they have the opportunity to see what life was really like for all the normal people. Suffering, slavery - but they also had a chance to see that not everything was black and white like the Jedi in the sith believe. Just because some Street rat stole a loaf of bread, doesn't mean it wasn't for an actual Noble purpose such as feeding a starving sibling that they have no way to feed, whereas the Jedi were strictly adherent to law and order and nullifying chaos. This is why it is so easy for Anakin to brush off the Jedi after his fear of padme being killed, because aside from knowing that the world is in black and white, he fell in love - another facet you're not allowed to have as a Jedi.

>arguing about a garbage throwaway line about balance that Lucas used half-assedly to drum up excitement without thinking it through or following through or knowing what he meant by it

>>Continued

And for that matter not allowed to have as a sith either. Luke was in a similar situation, in that he was already an adult when he became a Jedi. He had no chance to be groomed by a master as a child and haven't seen enough in the universe to form his own opinions on what was right and wrong. This is also why he believed his father was redeemable, because he knew there was good inside him. Not that he was purely good but also not that he was purely evil. once the sith eliminated all the Jedi or believe that they had eliminated all the Jedi this kept the force out of balance; the pendulum and simply swung the other way. By Vader killing the emperor, and then dying himself, Luke is literally the only Force user left alive (aside from Leia but she's completely untrained at this point). Essentially allowing Luke the opportunity to completely restart all schools of teaching in the force in whatever way he wished. And as he was already learned in how the universe really works where nothing is truly black and white, and every situation needs to be judged on an individual basis he is smart enough to realize that you cannot have light without dark just like you can't have dark without light.

And by starting his own school of teachings (and according to some of the expanded universe after return of the Jedi, he does dabble in the dark side of the force as well which if you don't want to include that is canon, you could easily argue that that would have been his natural progression anyway without any type of guiding force to tell him otherwise) all future generations force-users will be trained under his belief system, built on a foundation of his experiences in the rise and fall of his own father from The light side to the dark side and redeemed again, creating a future of grey Jedi, not light or dark. Thus truly achieving balance in the force, as was the forces true intention all along.

>>Favorite example of a grey Jedi - Jolee Bindo of Kotor fame. Fuck that lame ass anticlimactic Kreia bitch.

>>This is much better discussed over a drink with multiple people able to interject and bring up truckloads of examples that you could create a book our of.

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Sorry I wasnt able to post the whole thing fast enough butthole.

K, done.

The Skywalker saga is suppose to center around Anakin Skywalker, the confirmed chosen one by Lucas. It was suppose to chronicle Anakin's life from becoming a Jedi Knight to falling to the Dark Side to then finding redemption with the help of his son. The sequels have NOTHING to do with Anakin Skywalker and thus not canon.

yikes someone is a little upset...
i think you need to watch some of them again, i think you are not remembering things right.
>also don't complain about long fights weighted with emotion when the OT had the EXACT same god damn thing.

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if you are cant apprectiate the grace and elegance and mastery of trained warrior led by the ability to foresee and do cool shit, it isnt movies problem.

you are just retard with no adequate taste.

cope harder

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