I, Claudius

I don't even remember the tiddies and I've watched it a few times, what the hell. When Caligula's doing shit?

It's like watching a play. Some people can't muscle through it but if you can accept it you're in for some crazy ass kino TV.

>I don't even remember the tiddies

You might be a faggot, user.

Rome is extremely overrated. Anything involving Pullo and Vorenus is completely uninterresting. They should have made the show stick to the historically and politically relevant characters exclusively.

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>livia is one of our official favourite characters
Wtf????????????

So much better than GOT and Rome. The budget of those shows far outstrapped the story they have to tell, fluffed up like all modern TV. I Claudius was barebones production with BBC Shakespeare tier sets, but the story was so dense, there's so much to unpack in all the characters.

Biggest thing in this show is how it highlights how crap an actor Patrick Stewart is compared to his peers. Maybe it was early for his career, but compared to the other I Claudius cast he didn't deliver.

game of thrones is a joke. Not really a contemporary, Spartacus or even House of Cards would be a more apt comparison, and those are also both shit

13th you bitch, i am a son of hades

extremely poor take

I agree

Claudius played 5d chess with everyone, he gave no fucks

Spartacus is such a piece of shit series. Its like Wrestling Show in ancient Rome with cheesy lovestorys and tits.

words fall from your mouth like shit from ass

I wouldnt say everything they but the worst parts are when they are uneccessarily forced into the story. Like when their corpse raft randomily floats into Pompey

the idea I think is they provide a middle aspect, anyone who just wants senates and noble families scheming missed the entire point of the show, its called ROME not adventures of the julii

I watched this to get some autistic girl I was in love with to like me and she me-too'd me on twitter

That's rough buddy.

>"5d chess"
>aka acting like a retard for decades while every potential threat to you rises to power and is swiftly snuffed out by someone else, who later falls at the hands of another opponeent

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all part of the plan

Sejanus plotting against you, whatever happened there-

It's way better than either, largely because it was only one season.

executed, these things happen

He was just trying to survive and fell into being an emperor. This is one of the best scenes in tv history though
youtube.com/watch?v=FQe28wNe6SU

>"It wasn't worth it, was it? Even I could've told you that..."
;____;

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>How do you feel it compares to its contemporaries like Rome and Game of Thrones?
>Game of Thrones

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goddamn I need to watch this again, also read the book again, iirc thats from Clavdivs the God

IS THERE ANYONE IN ROME WHO HAS NOT SLEPT WITH MY DAU-TAAAAH

TAKE THEM OUT! I'LLDECIDEWHATTODOWITHTHEM LA-TER

The book is good, the tv show felt like an incredibly overrated mediocre theatre play.

I actually like them and octavian the most.

It has prime Jacobi and Stewart playing two of the most important and interesting historical characters ever. The script it draws from is a landmark of historical fiction.

It's great if you can take it as an extended theatre performance as opposed to epic cgi enhanced adventure. Kind of like wine and beer. One to enjoy on a whim, one to mark an occasion with.

I actually subscribed to Broadwayhd and was really surprised how well theatre works on small screen. Hamlet (with Jacobi and Stewart) is just brilliant. Even some of the goofier, more effect-heavy shows like Phantom of the opera work decently.

The best thing about Rome was how it portrayed the city, its culture and the average citizen's life. Something most historic series kinda failed at. Pullo and Vorenus were a vehicle for that.

BRIAN BLESSED AS AUGUSTUS WAS PURE KINO.
Also Caligula was an absolute monster but the performance was so much fun that I just couldn't hate him.

>BRIAN BLESSED AS AUGUSTUS WAS PURE KINO
He was the only one that seemed miscast to me desu. IRL Augustis was a sickly, moralising and scheming sperg. Blessed comes across as too boisterous, jovial and naive.

His performance is still great, don't get me wrong. But he definitely feels the most fictionalized out of any of them.

Stewart was not seen as a major actor in British classical theatre in the way that the likes of McKellen, Dench and Jacobi were. He seemed destined to play second fiddle to them forever. His acting renown is directly proportional to his fame as a certain starship captain. From then on he became the epitome of "classically trained British actor" in the eyes of culturally ignorant burgers.

>that death scene
I get cold sweats just thinking about it.
Has there ever been a more evil cunt?

>Blessed comes across as too boisterous, jovial and naive.
I'm probably wrong but I assumed that it was depicting Augustus after ~20 years of (relative) peace, with him in his twilight years and having no real threat to this power for years

No she killed based Germannicus, she was definitely a huge cunt. Also, she wasn't protecting the empire for a good reason. If she was, she wouldn't let her perverted loser son take over.

It;s an actual Shakespearean style play that was put on television. It's heavily actor-driven and unlike Rome it doesn't rely heavily on fight or war scenes.
It's really brilliant, and for the time period there really is nothing that compares. Nothing on American television was approaching that level of brilliance at least from a dramatic theme.

>all your competent heirs are brainlets born in an unprecedented era of peace and prosperity that assume that was the norm in the republic, when you lived through the chaos and collapse of the republic's last days
She did nothing wrong, even supporting Caligula was due to the fact that all the competent successors were republican brainlets

Wrong. This portrayal was completely surface level at best and heavily relying on modern tropes and character archetypes at best.
The average roman pleb didnt have his family stolen and sold into slavery. The average pleb wasn't a centurion who somehow became an anachronistic mob boss.
They could have done a lot of interesting things with Pullo and Vorenus, showed roman camp and military life. Instead we had like half a season with historically accurate pleb life scenes, and a bunch of boring useless drama.

Absolute kino series. Standouts are Livia, Caligula, and our guy Claudius. Very well paced, acted, executed, I have nothing bad to say. Mogs Rome, GoT is trash in comparison (and in general)

But there is no benefit to the empire if you don't have a competent leader like Augustus. So it was all because she didn't want a downgrade in her standard of living.

>no love for Tiberius

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What's to love? He was a whiny momma's boy who became a sick perv like Caligula. I hate Tiberius.

>But there is no benefit to the empire if you don't have a competent leader like Augustus
Continuity is better than chaos. One psychotic emperor is still less harmful to the empire (overall) than two senators/wannabe-senators battling it out for control of the republic like Caesar and Pompey/Octavian and Antony

I like him (the real one not the Graves depiction)

fuck this entire thread, you mean "peers", not "contemporaries", jesus christ
and I CLAV DIVS is the absolute shit, wondrous

>One psychotic emperor is still less harmful to the empire (overall)
That's really debatable. The worst emperors were as bad as the civil war they INEVITABLY forced upon the empire when they died or really became too retarded for the job, except in addition to that you had to suffer their utter bloodthristy retardation for as long as they were alive

>completely missing my point
I wasn't talking about their specific narrative, rather the background stuff. Vorenus and family worshipping their lares, Pullo getting surgery, the seediness and crime of the city. It gave a great sense of how the average Roman lived that you wouldn't have gotten if it had just been focused on the patricians and their politics.

I'm not sure I agree with that. One psychotic emperor will do irreparable damage in terms of trust in the system. And good emperors are rare. In the end Claudius realizes that a really bad emperor will break the trust completely and get people to bring back the republic. If Livia wanted the empire to go on she should have tried to ensure the heirs were decent people.

idiot take, they are the best

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Again, we had only too few of those scenes while the rest was unnecessary and mostly dumb drama