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but why? beyond france falling which was realistically a two tailed distraction, the biggest point of contention was just as in the first world war the trade war. germany was doomed to failure and the ever strengthening ties of the anglosphere with the commitern just led to an unwinnable situation at some point. besides some extreme luck and hindsight it would have inevitably ended the same +/- a few years as allied tech relying on fuel (something the Germans didn't have enough of) and the German economy ever dwindling

>he thinks America didn't save his unwashed euro trash ass

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USSR won ww2

What's the empire in the second picture?

>USSR won ww2

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Even in Normandy it was actually the British and Canadians who did most of the hard work.

source: an ass

The RAF bombed all their ships in port, the Germans couldn't even reach Britain without destroying the RAF and they failed that, largely because they switched to bombing cities like idiots. Without air supremacy an invasion was impossible, and Hitler wanted to invade Russia anyway, not the UK.

My source is history, most notably the Battle of Caen. Where were the Americans? Flanking south encountering almost no resistance at all.

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No.
They had war on their soil. So no.
Lost millions and the destruction wiped the west Russian economy.

The UK had a moral victory (We held out in spite of yada yada yada) but it broke their economy and finished them as a world power.

They USA were the real winners of the war.
In what sense?
Economically of course.

how would they get there? there's a sea in the way

Luther did nothing wrong and I am saying this as a german catholic.

Looks like that Chinese virus really got to you

Byzantium

>US becomes top world power for under a century
>already nearing colllapse
"winners"

>My source is history
except it isn't

HRE i think

The Germans did not have a real beef with England.

Taking Cherbourg, you swine

>They had war on their soil. So no.

That's not how war victories work, Amerimutt.

so was Hitler, his micromanagement was the reason he lost the war

Economists have been well aware that the US dollar has been in slow decline since the end of the war.
The US set up the post war system. They were aware of it as well.
Nothing lasts honey.

Go ahead and start arguing at any time.
>Canadians troops still manage to be the first Allied units into Falaise.

>Cherbourg
lmfao, a few thousand garrisons what a tough battle. try engaging almost 8 Panzer divisions.

You’re right, guess that means the USSR was the winner!

Go ahead and stop talking out of your ass at any time.

>They had war on their soil. So no.
psssst, the Japanese invaded the United States so by this logic the US weren't winners.

It's the Byzantine empire

it took like a dozen countries working in coordination and multiple vectors of attack for the allies to attack france, crossing a channel and facing a well fortified and prepared enemy is just throwing your troops into a meat grinder

That is exactly how war works.
War on your soil is detrimental in foundational ways.
That is why the US always goes 'over there'.
Smart.

after they caused it to happen by making a deal with Germany

>still being this retarded
hello? japanese invaded and occupied the united states, retard.

And Alexander Fyodorovich Mozhayskiy was the first man to fly.
Whoop de fuckin doo.

The Eastern Roman Empirr, called they Byzantine Empire by historians. The Greek speaking half of Rome after the collapse of the Western Latin half.

cope harder holy shit lol

And the English invaded Washington DC in the war of 1812. And with what consequence.
Are you an autist?

>the Japanese invaded the United States
yep, totally the same thing

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>USSR
>barely win 1 war while getting free stuff from the USA
vs
>USA
>wins 2 wars simultaneously while giving everyone free stuff
But a lot more soviets died, so according to Justin Trudeau yeah the USSR won ww2.

Alaska wasn’t a state until 1959. It would be like Cuba invading Puerto Rico. Nobody cares.

My point is dropping a few bombs has no consequence. Just like flying and no-one knows or cares and which has no consequence.

huurrrrr war on your soil is detrimental in foundational ways user, don't you understand this?

South Africa invaded the USA as well.
There was once a scuflle in the US embassy.

>i-it was a territory not a state so it doesn't count even though I said "soil" not "state" or "territory"

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Just goes to show how shit America really is.

The US had almost zero impact in WW1. Showed up way too late.

Dude. What I have written is true.

The US won the war.
Deal with it.

And this thread highlights exactly why the civilised world looks at the mutts and laughs.

But that was the Red Army. Americans can't gatekeep WWII any more. You can't even gatekeep lend lease either since the British and Canadians both sent untold amounts of war material to the USSR as well (all while having to escort it across the Atlantic and into the Arctic by themselves)

cuck

lol u dumb

Am I saying that the USSR were shitheads and had no conttibution?
Did I write that the USST did not sacrifice?

NO.
What I am saying is the US won the war in every sense that mattered. The US was the greatest benefactor of WWII.

Neither of these series of events were that plain and simple

>What I am saying is the US won the war in every sense that mattered.
The US wasn't even involved for half of the most important Allied battles, so no. Late for the party for a 2nd time in a row.

True, but faggy contrarians will keep their fingers stuck in their ears forever so it’s a waste of time explaining the obvious.

I wrote:
>They USA were the real winners of the war.
>In what sense?
>Economically of course.

Thank you. And with that I'm out.

But losers when it comes to actually fighting. We all remember Bataan, Kasserine Pass and Hürtgen Forest mutt.

Only inbred island monkeys claim to believe this. Personally I think they know the truth (America saved their asses) but they refuse to admit it.

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bullshit definition of winning. the US profited most from the OUTCOME of the war, but they didnt make that outcome happen.

Can you explain to me how the American divisions on the southern flank in Normandy still ended up being slower than the British and Canadian units who had to slog through Caen before getting to Falaise (first too)

Without Americans the only thing the British are capable of is killing Frenchmen.

Hitler was too obsessed with invading Russia and enslaving the Slavic race.

Why did so many American get killed by Frenchmen in Africa?