Why does it make Craig fags seethe so much?

>Why does it make Craig fags seethe so much?
Too much fun, too much personality.

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>high art
You outed yourself as a homo. Please leave this thread

>Brosnan sucks
Why do you dislike him?

It has a lot of issues but honestly the first half is pretty good, then it goes off the rails but stays entertaining if really stupid. But I'll take "stupid Bond in an invisible car driving around an ice castle" over "broody faggot Bond playing Texas Holdem and getting cock and ball torture"

I miss when Bond movies were fun

Ranking TWINE over TND is fine with me, but I found DAD kinda boring for the most part desu. Can we agree TWINE was the best theme

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>DAD kinda boring
That's a new one.

>Can we agree TWINE was the best theme
Yes.

Exactly. It's not perfect but it is at least entertaining

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Oh also, DAD is fucking embarrassing. Come on. It's the Batman and Robin of the Bond series. Not technically as bad as B&R, I'm just saying it was bad enough to force the producers to do a lot of soul-searching for the next film.

to me he really doesn't fit as Bond, specially in the more campy stuff, in ways he's worse than Craig and his films are the weakest ones, even Goldeneye that's supposed to be good is p bad

I disagree but to each his own

you say that like the Bond series didn't have like 30 years of campy stuff before DAD
same with Batman and Robin, since yknow Adam West is a thing

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do you like the Connery ones? From Russia with Love to me is the best "serious" Bond film and the best one overall while You Only Live Twice is the best campy one and it's so much fun

I said this before and the worst part of the movie is that the Korean is named Zao because no Korean would ever be named Zao

>Why does it make Craig fags seethe so much?
It didn't. It made the general movie-going audience and Bond fans seethe because it's a dogshit movie.

functioning autism is fine no need for drooling and shitting yourself

This. The TND song is great otherwise that movie is garbage, especially the end which was like you said, Bond and Chinese gf shooting faceless thugs for 20 minutes straight.

Yeah i love Connerys movies, even enjoy Diamonds are Forever. from Russia with love is one of the best, I prefer goldfinger to it though, just barely

Yes it wasn't up to satisfying post 9/11 nihilism

I love Pierce as Bond, but his movies mostly sucked. Goldeneye was the only one that even approached the highs of past incarnations, and even then most of the nostalgia for it is thanks to the game.

Brosnan>Moore>Connery>Dalton>Lazenby>>>>>>>>>>Craig

>heh you thought Bond would act like Bond? Sorry, now he's a generic gritty post-9/11 spy! No womanizing or humor or gadgets for you! No Q or Moneypenny! This is a hard reboot!
If that's not taking a steaming dump on the Bond franchise I don't know what is. Casino Royale is the Bond movie for people who never liked Bond in the first place.

This. The only thing good about Casino Royale is Madds performance, he elevates a terrible villain into being pretty good. Imagine if he had been given an actually cool character to play.

People who call themselves Bond fans and who like Casino Royale are lying, his movies are nothing like classic Bond.

I always enjoy Tomorrow Never Dies uptil after the parking garage chase. If I quit there it's a nice 1 hour short bond adventure. Too bad it drops of after that. TWINE starts of great but drops of as well. If Campbell would have done TWINE I think it would have been my favourite. I wish that for Quantum of Solace they would have hired the camera crew of Die Another Day because QoS makes me seasick. DAD I think suffers more from having Michael Madsen in it than an invisible car. Also I don't think the Craig Bonds are as rewatchable as the Brosnan ones.

Even prior to that garage chase it's so obvious that the director doesn't know how to helm a Bond movie. Also the way the movie looks, the photography and directing give it the feeling of a direct-to-video Bond knockoff. Also the subplot with Teri Hatcher being a "former lover" of Bond's, it was such a wasted opportunity.

Imagine how much more impact that would've had, if they had actually cast a former Bond girl like Izabella Scorupco or Carey Lowell. You get to see the fallout from a previous Bond movie for the first time. Pretty sure that was their original intention too.

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>his movies are nothing like classic Bond
Bond always changed and shifted. License to Kill isn't very similar to Goldfinger. I like Casino Royale, and I would still call myself a Bond fan. So would most people, my sweet little sugary teen.

>my sweet little sugary teen
Haven't been a teen for quite some time dude, but I've been a bond fan since I was one. And yeah, Bond has changed but he's always had a sense of humor about him. Craig has none of that, his first two movies are just pure misery. They were just copying Bourne until that went out of style.

Not him but LTK has far, far more in common with classic Bond than Casino. It has humor, gadgets, womanizing, one-liners, Q, Moneypenny, and follows the Bond formula rather closely. It's not even the first time Bond went after a drug kingpin in the series. The idea that it's "gritty Bond" is a misconception, only thing you can say is that it's especially violent.

Casino Royale has most of those, too. Maybe not to the same extent (Moneypenny obviously is absent), but a lot of it is there. It's a relatively straightforward adaptation of the book with some concessions to modernization.

My point isn't "hurr License to Kill is just like Casino Royale!" My point is that I enjoy much of License to Kill in a pretty different way from how I enjoy You Only Live Twice. This is true even for From Russia with Love compared to YOLT. I don't care if you dislike Casino Royale, but "ur not a real fan if you like it!" is some real Young Boy Discovers His First Pubic Hair and an Internet Connection-tier discourse. You might as well whine about the blond hair.

Yeah they wanted Scorupco/Lowell back but they didn't really follow through. Just like they tried to get Barbara Bach (Triple X) back for AVTAK but instead they got generic Russian blonde in the bathtub.
TND was plagued with problems during production. Anthony Hopkins quit a few days into filming because he thought the production was too chaotic. The script had daily rewrites and Brosnan disliked Hatcher after she turned up too late so he had to wait for hours. And she was pregnant so they couldn't go all out during filming. The deleted scene with Bond trying to drink while in a car is hilarious. If it was Die Another Day they would have kept it in. youtube.com/watch?v=xwLawBMFniY

>but a lot of it is there. It's a relatively straightforward adaptation of the book with some concessions to modernization.
user, the first half of Casino Royale (the movie) is mostly taken from the unfilmed Jinx Johnson movie script that Barbara Broccoli wanted to make. The airport scene is directly ripped from a proposed "Die Another Day" spinoff with Halle Berry. That's about the opposite of a "straightforward adaptation." Not even going into issues with the way the Bond character is written compared to the novel.

I'm talking about the plotting and most of the tone, including the climax with Le Chiffre and Vesper.
>the Bond character is written compared to the novel
There are some differences, but that was true before.

>I actually need to watch this show sometime
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His point was it breaks from the formula so hard it's not a bond film, book adaptation or otherwise. As such it seems most who like casino royale despise most of the series/don't watch it
It's not just no money penny or q. On top of these and no gadgets and the almost complete lack of humor is bond failing to kill the bad guy and then failing to save the girl. The movie goes out of its way to subvert bond tropes and it just does not seem to belong as a result

>I'm talking about the plotting and most of the tone, including the climax with Le Chiffre and Vesper.
The second half of the movie is superficially similar to the book, yes.

>There are some differences, but that was true before.
Yeah but you don't hear Roger Moore fans defending his movies because "they're like the books!" If they did I would be shitting on that argument just like I'm shitting on yours.

I agree about TND's first half, it's pretty decent, then the second half is basically just a bulletfest. Probably because after Bond gets the encoder and finds out that Carver was behind everything, there really aren't any more plot beats after that, it's just a bunch of action sequences until the movie ends.
> Also the way the movie looks, the photography and directing give it the feeling of a direct-to-video Bond knockoff.
Disagree here. The photography is actually pretty good, it was lensed by Robert Elswit, who's an Oscar-winning cinematographer. The direction is another matter, it doesn't have the punch that Goldeneye does. The biggest issue is the crappy script that only has maybe 40 minutes worth of plot.

Golden Eye and TWINE the best two in that order, but for video games I love me some TWINE multiplayer on Sky Rail

>that order, but for video games I love me some TWINE multiplayer on Sky Rail
Though it was night fire that had sky rail, or did world is not enough have it too

>Yeah but you don't hear Roger Moore fans defending his movies because "they're like the books!"
I wasn't defending it because it was "like the books." That was never the thrust of my argument, although that is still true for most of the main plot beats and characters. My point was that most of the things people claim are "absent" in Casino Royale are present to whatever modest degree they were always present in the book. You can see how the story was re-tailored to accommodate being an action movie, and if anything it self-consciously tried to work some Bond tropes into a story that didn't originally have them to the same extent.

Carver is also a horrible villain. The only reason anyone likes him is because he's "fake news" media so he's praised for predicting the current state of mainstream news. Never mind that he's a complete moron that makes Dr. Evil seem competent by comparison, and even his dialogue seems straight out of Austin Powers.

They aren't though, the film goes out of its way to ignore or subvert the classic Bond tropes. It hints at them at the very most.

Nightfire had it too and that one was better, but for movie to video game coversions TWINE was the best for me. Nightfire was a great game though

you forgot to mention the great sword fight

I've just reached it in open television and it was far better than I remembered. The film is legit bond kino well into the part where he gets his car. From there onward is just cringe bad. It's incredible how they fucked up the third arc.

Apart from that very good aesthetics. Having Bond walk around in North Korea and Cuba brought back Cold War nostalgia and implied that this was Bond's comfort area where their networks run deep.

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>oh dear. do you want to continue?
Still one of my favorite scenes from all the bond movies

Latter half of the movie gets nuts but honestly I enjoy it, it's over the top but then so is having the villain be a white faced Korean. It works for me.
First half is the better part though and it's kinda a shame they went overboard

Duh

AotC is the best one in the whole series

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