>"I feel very much like, in hindsight, that the trilogy, the last part of the trilogy, needed one vision," Brandon said. Markey took things further, stating: "I couldn't agree more. It's very strange to have the second film...consciously undo the storytelling of the first film. I'm sorry, that's what it felt like."
Rian Johnson BTFO yet again. What the fuck was KK thinking?
The Force Awakens was a hollow piece of shit. TLJ smashed it with a hammer. The Rise of Skywalker is also a hollow piece of shit. It's their fault for trying to take the shattered piece of shit and glue it back together.
They're all hollow pieces of shit. TLJ's response to TFA is exactly as appropriate as TROS's response to TLJ
I still don't understand why there appears to have been no planning or coordination for that trilogy; has there ever been an authoritative explanation for this, or just speculation?
Reminder all nu wars is faggot shit
Lol, these movies just keep undoing the previous one. Should have just stick to one guy as director or have an overall plot set-up from the beginning.
Where else could they go after TLJ? Rian painted the story into a corner instead of being the bridge that was needed.
I wonder what it would have been like if rian had ep7 instead of ep8
The Sequel Trilogy had no underlying message it was trying to convey. It was a cynical cash grab from the start. They tried to Marvelize Star Wars and it blew up in their stupid fucking fat faces. All six Lucas Star Wars are movies trying to teach young people how to be a better person, and how to deal with the challenges life gives them. It tries to impress Buddhist ideology upon them. The ST does none of this. It's just nostalgia and more nostalgia and quip-filled dialogue and cameras that swoosh everywhere so the Chinese don't fall asleep.
>TLJ's response to TFA is exactly as appropriate as TROS's response to TLJ
lol no it isn't why sign on to a trilogy if you clearly dont want to set anything up for the next guy? JJ left plenty open in TFA to go from for Rian
you kind of have a point but the thing is.. taking it straight into a wall made the third film hard... playing straight along the first film's lines would have just meant the third AND second films would be unmemorable committee drivel
Probably not a soft reboot of A New Hope at the very least.
>Where else could they go after TLJ?
Kylo Ren throwing the murderous tantrum of a lifetime.
JJ hinted at so much and actually expanded on so little that Rian had a ton of freedom to take things where he wanted without breaking continuity, but instead based Rian made a 2 and a half hour insult to JJ
>JJ left plenty open in TFA to go from for Rian
He really didn't. TFA is an empty movie. There's nothing worth building upon. The only sane route forward was to say "Fuck you and your infantile nostalgic bullshit. Fucking hell, grow up, Abrams. You have not emotionally matured beyond the literal goddamn child that saw Star Wars in the theatres. You're a manchild who uses nostalgia and mysteries with no good answers to feel something because you're a hack. Nothing you've ever made has had a soul. You thought Star Trek was too intellectual."
It would have actually been funny instead of killing it
No one had the balls to put a stop to it. They all went along with it, decared it to be a masterpiece while movie critics masturbated their egos by saying "BEST ONE SINCE EMPIRE" and giving it bullshit high ratings, then attacked the audience for not liking it, and then maybe a year later it sank in that they might have made a shitty movie.
Let us not forget how it unfolded, ok?
>Kylo Ren throwing the murderous tantrum of a lifetime
Didn't he do that in every instalment anyway?
theres no way theres anything going on in John Boyegas head
it looks like hes just staring, like some sort of prey animal.
>he said from his springy palace
To be fair to critics, The Last Jedi is the only film in the ST that even halfway approaches being a good film with something to say.
>Spend billions on the IP
>Never even crosses their minds to have a story in mind for their new trilogy
The absolute state of Disney.
>JJ left plenty open in TFA to go from for Rian
TLJ has nothing to say except about Star Wars itself. It's masturbation
TFA was a meaningless movie that introduced nothing worthwhile to SW universe, attempting to spring any kind of trilogy off such a garbage start was already near impossible. Rian Johnson actually had the balls to attempt to take Star Wars into a new direction not presented in the OG or prequels, but manchildren threw such a hardcore online tantrum JJ had to finish the trilogy with a pathetic film saying "Haha, TLJ never happened guys, haaha". What a loser.
George Lucas gave them three story drafts, and Disney in their infinite wisdom threw them out because they were explicitly not interested in making good Star Wars movies. Their sole concern was making the Star Wars equivalent of Live Action Lion King. Just pure nostalgia for the OT fanbase, nothing challenging, nothing new or unfamiliar. Just 2 hours of fan wank. And it made 2 billion dollars or whatever. But you can't keep the empty nostalgia going forever. The Sequel Trilogy has already been largely forgotten. It's a thing that happened. It meant nothing. A significant number of people choose to treat it as non-canon, and the fact it directly went against the story themes of its original creator helps in that regard. It's Boondocks Season 4 material.
Not directly related, but I believe pea counting and micromanaging has a lot to do with it.
Even if they bought SW they still had to pay IP for the old characters, so they tried to minimize using them while at the same time they tested (and tried to adapt to) the reaction of the public.
Put that together with the current fuckery of believing what big data marketing says by looking at internet trends (is still baffling to me that they havent realized how biased these data are) and you have a prefect ground for these pieces of shit.
Had they trimmed and polished the EU (paying the due IP) and sticking to a vision while making the movies SW would still be a money printing machine
TLJ is a film about the dangers of nostalgia for the past.
Yep. All his “subverted expectations” bullshit sandbagged the previous movie and the trilogy as a whole.
yeah nothing
>snoke
>knights of ren
>rey's orgins
>luke skywalker
>phasma
>the rebellion
compared to Rian leaving it wide open
And it's the kind of masturbation critics love
>self parody
>feminist agenda
>thinly veiled social commentary
>the promise of progressiveness
Unironically because there was no George from the start with his grand plans that all connect.
God Daisy was so cute in TFA. I remember genuinely having a crush on her. What the FUCK happened?
The overall creative impetus of TLJ was pretty good but it was too much of a good thing because Rian is a spoiled child. They could have still kept many of the same elements just did a few key things differently. It will probably come out in 10-20 years that Rian has a stash of Epstein tapes.
>>snoke
He's an empty JJ mystery box character. And to be honest, all his interesting characterization came from TLJ. In TFA he's just a spooky guy in chair being all enigmatic.
>>knights of ren
The comic books revealed something, something, burnt off nipples with a lightsaber. Again, more mystery box bullshit.
>>rey's orgins
Notice how many of these things are bullshit mysteries like they're trying to keep the ratings high? This is Star Wars, not fucking LOST or Fringe. Trying to create some kind of mystery about Rey's background is bullshit. Lucas never pulled that shit. He outright said, "Oh, Anakin is a demigod. No father. Move along." That was in the first film. Who is The Phantom Menace? Oh, it's Palpatine.
>luke skywalker
Again, more out of character "MYSTERY" nonsense.
>the rebellion
There are fundamental world building problems with TFA. The entire rebellion and Republic and First Order and stuff don't make sense without a bunch of tie-in novels, and even then they don't make sense. JJ and his team were obsessed with empty "REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY" storytelling that they copy-pasted the settings, characters... why the ever locking FUCK is the Millennium Falcon in TFA? What kind of blind OT fanboy thought that was acceptable?
I really can't think of anything good in TLJ. Maybe grumpy luke? An even that would have been more interesting if luke appeared very wise, not just spoiled. The rest is just boring an uninterested.
Various installments had experimented with expanding SW beyond the known elements of the OT and they were failures considering what the studios wanted. They were never going to make a completely new set of things because very few people actually care about SW as a world compared to how many like it as a nostalgia trip. They weren't ever going to focus on the OT cast because watching geriatric fucks try to re-live the glory days unironically is boring and no young people would be interested.
Not it wasn’t, and that’s just cope from TLJ apologists.
The truth is that TLJ doubles down on every fuck up TFA made. For example the first order pulling resources out of thin air, Snoke the mystery nigga, the republic being incompetent fuck ups, Rey pulling new powers out of her ass, Finn being a bumbling retard that is only an ex stormtrooper when the script remembers and more I can’t be bothered to list right now.
TFA was far from an ideal starting point, but it could have been repaired by tacitly ignoring the worst of it and retconning whatever wasn’t directly shown with a certain point of view style line. If you think that’s too implausible from the man that wrote the greatest character assassination in history, I don’t know what to tell you.
The scenes where Kylo Ren and Snoke just talk are good. They're PT-esque. "Let the past die" is a good homage to "Anakin, you're breaking my heart." In fact... literally every good scene in TLJ is a direct PT callback, including the final "I have failed you," showdown between Kylo and Luke.
>The Last Jedi is the only film in the ST that even halfway approaches being a good film with something to say.
TLJ is a terrible fucking film. it contradicts any messages it tries to say by being a terrible fucking film.
Star Wars is fundamentally the victim of being a really weird and art-house-like film series that inexplicably got popular. Most people aren't a fan of its underlying influences.
Whether it's a bad movie or not, at least it made an effort to be something MORE than the dreck JJ has served up his entire career.
Luke being like Yoda and doing some silly anime inspired stuff like catch a giant fish was good. Porgs were fine. The sexual tension/romance between Rey and Kylo was good. Killing Snoke was also pretty good, but they should have had Hux take command instead of Kylo. Rose should have been cast with the asian girl who dies in the bombing run. Almost all of the Canto shit should have been cut or done differently. Holdo can stay and be hot garbage but they should have done her stuff a little different. Cut flying Leia and just have her die.
It's salvageable
You have got to be kidding me. Literally none of those are interesting or appealable.
>luke skywalker
Luke was made out to be a coward back in TFA, you idiot. Also, it was JJ that threw out the original script to have the plot to be focused on finding Luke without all this FO death star bullshit, even Luke was supposed to show up in the final arc of the film.
Wonder if they're gonna fire KK now that money is a big issue what with the whole corona virus happening.
Disney basically cucked themselves out of money with shit Star Wars movies, money that would've helped the bleeding they're doing now that theaters are closed.
Rian Johnson definitely managed to give the finger to Abrams but then forgot to make a competent movie otherwise.
>this dmg controlling
looks like they bad robot got raped by rian johnson and kk
KK had her contract extended purely to be a shit magnet until they can get their feet under themselves again.
cope more faggot and watch more marvel, tlj is the best nu wars movie and is still living rent free in your mind, that's how good it is
How was absolutely no one on the same page during the production of this debacle? How was their no plan for the step arc across the films? Why get rid of any extended universe stuff if you intended replace it with something so terrible? How is this allowed to happen on a billion dollar franchise?
Old MC action movies are a thing, and many of them are very successful at it (red, the expendables). An adventure of Luke and Han (Carrie fisher could barelly speak already) looking for ben could have resonated with all publics. Then you can add a YOUNG force sensitive girl called rey that becomes their apprentoce in both force and piloting/mechanic skills and develop that during a couple of movies.then you kill or retire the old generation.
By then you have have old fans,happy new fans a powerfull, notmary sue rey and background for new movies.
Fuck, I could write these moviesbetter than the hacks at holliwood, too bad Im not a jew
Yeah there is a lot about those sections I really liked. The meta commentary towards the SW fandom was good but a little too spiteful. In the scenes, they come across as an evil old wizard dressing down the errant black knight for his inadequacy and that fits the vibe of the OT. Rian just can't help but fuck things like that up though by giving Snoke shitty gold pajamas.
It really labors under the expectations of a fandom it is largely incompatible with. It rose to the station of modern cultural myth and that stifled its ability to breathe conceptually.
You cut so much that now we have a 30 min movie
>hating tlj in 2020
move along or just go back to re*dit, rian is a genius
Disney set the whole franchise on auto pilot in terms of production oversight. That's why they had that huge debacle on the Solo film and had to re-shoot 80% of it.
>TLJ BAD
>LUKE NO DRINK MILK
>I HATE ROSE BECUASE INTERNET TOLD ME SO
>LAURA DERN SHOULDVE JUST TOLD POE THE PLAN EVEN THOUGH HE WAS DEMOTED
>WHY DID LEIA FLY SHES NOT A JEDI
>CANTO BLIGHT HAD NO PURPOSE
>LUKE HAS TO BE SUPERMAN
>REY NEEDS TO BE OBI WAN
>I WANTED ESB AGAIN
Well those movies tend to rely on things like comedy over direct action and SW movies aren't comedies. One of the mainstream highlights of the PT is the lightsaber fights and you wouldn't have anything comparable. Look at PT Obi Wan vs OT Obi Wan. The show Picard is another good example.
It's so bizarre to me that all these years later some people still don't know Luke was shit testing Rey by acting like an angry hobo
Then change it. Not like the OT has many light saber fights.
What counts is the story and characters.
TLJ is the only ST movie that manages to do the shot-for-shot callback thing Lucas loved doing, without it seeming like desperate nostalgia. The idea behind Lucas's movies is that these characters undergo identical experiences and their character is demonstrated by how they respond. Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi use the image of Palpatine using Force Lightning to contrast Luke and Anakin. Anakin gives in to his fear. Luke will die before he will give in. In that moment, as Vader looks at Luke on the ground, he is seeing himself cutting off Windu's hand because he was too weak. And in that moment, he knows what he has to do. That's good storytelling, even retroactively implemented. TLJ has a few scenes like that, and they're decently done. Stuff like Rise of Skywalker is really fucking clunky. There is no cohesion with the other 8 movies.
Let's see
>AT-AT walkers attacking on a white planet
>Protagonist meets wise old hermit
>Protagonist has a weird vision in a cave
>"There is still good in him!"
>Throne room scene
Tell me again how Rian was original in any way? All he did was rip off the OT.
youtube wannabee film critic shills are truely braindead, tros is just exposing how low their low iq is and how good tlj is
He killed star wars. He put a knife through its heart. But he also spared star wars the fate of being nothing but soulless cash grab after soulless cashgrab.
Is it possible to save something by killing it?
Frankly, I would have liked to see an Empire lead by an autistic angry manchild. Sheev was Evil, but emotionally stable. Kylo would blow planets after planets just because he's insecure about the size of his mask or something.
Imaine the 3rd movie taking place 15 years later. The Empire has risen. The last of the Rebels are in hiding. Kylo killed all his apprentices in a fit of paranoid rage.
The whole movie is about giving hope to the people and making the citizen rise against Kylo and his Empire. No Super Special Rey Rey&Friends saving the world, just them teaching common folks and some Force sensitive kids how to fight and have hope and courage and shit.
Big battle on a planet and in space to get back some territories or something. Movie ends with the good guys winning a small victory and having hope for the future.
Maybe in that deleted scene with the village party, but not the final product
>>Protagonist has a weird vision in a cave
The cave vision was at least unique. I like how Rey touches the mirror at the exact halfway point of the film.
>jj is literally copying endgame and anh
>but rian is not orginal he used sw themes for sw
how low is your iq, there is a difference between copying something and using things and making it better
I have to admit that Rian is a very good visual director. The cave sequence looks good. But it means absolutely nothing. No foreshadowing, no meaning to Rey's character development or story in either TLJ or TROS.
>he ki-
>still seeths about sw
>after 2 years
>d-dude trust me its d-dead
>joins the next sw thread
based rian?
idk anymore. JJA is a hack of thehighest order, but RJ is just the crackerjack toy version of M. Night Shemalandingdong with muh subversion instead of muh twist (and no talent, unlike M. Night)
>Imaine the 3rd movie taking place 15 years later. The Empire has risen. The last of the Rebels are in hiding. Kylo killed all his apprentices in a fit of paranoid rage.
A big problem with the ST is insane time compression. The PT took place over around 14 years. Between film 1 and film 3, a decade and a half goes by. The Republic falls slowly. In the ST, some of the major plot points have DAYS separating them. This is why the tie-in novels are so strained.
Retard, copying something without injecting something good and original means it's pure dog shit. JJ is also a retarded hack, by the way. So is KK.
good tfa was shit, rian did a good job with making a different movie
The cave means a great deal. There is no mystery. There is no grand reveal. There is only Rey. It spits in the face of TFA's "WHO ARE REY'S PARENTS" nonsense. But RoS immediately backpedals and makes her grandfather Palpatine because of course it does.
TLJ was the filling in that shit sandwich
>using at-at in sw is copying
>dude the planet is w-white
so at-at and white planets are forbidden because, youtube wannabee critic says you cant use it ? check your iq brainfart
I still fee the Duel of the Fates movie could have been good.
This is a thing is all new movies, both time and visual space (small rooms, cramped camera views)