People around here like to hate the Craig Bond movies because they're good...

Casino Royale was good, the rest are soulless. We seriously need a new bond.

>blows up a fighter plane by ejecting the guy in the seat of his own fighter plane into the plane above with perfect aim
THE FIGHTER RISES?

This

QOS suffered from terrible editing and a writer's strike but Spectre had no excuse. What were they thinking?

Oh I completely forgot about Brosnan. Yeah I agree that was worse.

Literally the opposite. The old bond movies were pure capeshit, especially during the Moore era.

The quintessential Bond experience:
>Suave gentleman
>scene with Bond being worldly (speaking another language, playing a foreign game etc.)
>beautiful woman is introduced, most likely a villain or dead by the second act
>cool gadgets in mundane objects, they always get to be used in some way
>sleek cars
>snappy oneliners
>interesting villains; even more interesting henchmen
>Bond never loses his cool

CraigBond did away with most of the things that I love about Bond. In one Skyfall scene, he's even scoffed at for wanting gadgets, the newest thing is "big blue city map with red dots on it", which is a tired action movie trope. See, I don't hate Daniel Craig as Bond. He's a fine actor and did what he could with the role. But what he represents, the deconstruction of "Bond movies" as a genre into something new, is awful to watch. It started with somewhat small shit like "what if we removed gadgets?" or "what if Bond got tortured and broken?" and now we're at the point where a black woman should play Bond. They've bastardised, corrupted and modernised what Bond is supposed to be: ageless. And it started with Daniel Craig.

QOS sucked the least post-CR

>People around here like to hate the Craig Bond movies because they're good
No. Bond fans hate on them because they aren't Bond movies.
They rebooted the series with Casino Royale, went out of their way to try and subvert previously established hallmarks, and turned Bond into a brooding goblin with almost no sense of humor. Its not Bond, its some weird modern films with Bonds name slapped on them. Its a shame because I feel they have genuinely wasted Craig
>Casino Royale
the worst of his four. Subverts the most hallmarks out of all of them and is a worse Bond film than Die Another Day (And Die Another Day was pretty bad)
>Quantum of Solace
Another dog turd where Bond tries to be edgey. Throws his buddy's body in a dumpster cause "Hurr durr he so cold and ruthless". Just more trash
>Skyfall
at least returns to some semblance of Bond, and finally has a villain that doesn't suck. Still not great but better than the other 2.
>Spectre
Didn't dislike this one as much as most. Still not great. They wasted Kristoph Waltz and the "it was me James" memes are really appropriate. Also have a hard time believing Bond would settle down with the girl in it.

Honestly man, they just aren't that good. Theyre pretty films. Well shot, many of the stunts are good, acting is good but really they aren't Bond movies and that is why I criticize them. They do not touch Goldfinger or Goldeneye. They don't touch Dalton's films or Moore's best. And Craig's Bond as a result fails to reach the heights of any of the other actors that have played the character (including Lazenby).
Last good Bond movie was the World is Not Enough. Series has been dead for over 20 years.

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>See, I don't hate Daniel Craig as Bond. He's a fine actor and did what he could with the role. But what he represents, the deconstruction of "Bond movies" as a genre into something new, is awful to watch
Exactly. This is why I don't like them. Nothing against Craig. And strangely most who praise Craig's Bond have not watched many (if any) of the old ones.
They assume the Craig movies are how Bond is supposed to be. Its not

am i the only one that enjoyed die another day

Its grown on me. I enjoy it but theres still issues with it and I still prefer World is Not Enough.
Sword fight is awesome though

Wrong. Craig is my second favorite Bond and the only Bond movies I haven't seen are Moonraker, Never Say Never Again, View to a Kill and Die Another Day.

>And strangely MOST who praise Craig's Bond
There will always be exceptions. Hence most. But its quite true.

Bond is about living out the super spy fantasy. He shouldn't be holding his gun with trigger discipline. He should be have his finger gently caressing the trigger in a vaguely sexual manner while his attention is focused enjoying the fine vespa Martin in his other hand.

>QOS suffered from terrible editing
QOS is a whole other level of disappointment. It has the worst filmed action sequences paired with a half way decent story. Most of the bad Bonds are bad because of everything except the action.

>Moonraker
That's one of the best. Goofy as fuck. Never forget, she had braces.

Die Another Day is the only movie that was this obnoxiously over the top about it. Bond is about subtlety and class.

i prefer Tomorrow Never Dies more, the premise is more interesting

best bond right here

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>Never Say Never Again
You don't need to see this. It's literally just Thunderball but worse.

Old Bonds more or less used the shooting stance that was actually taught to law enforcement in the mid 20th century, which was a legacy from double action revolver point shooting techniques. Bond movies are always reflections of their era.

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... youtube.com/watch?v=G5XUl6WJgyM

Based as fuck, real shame he only got 2 movies.

He'd be remembered as the best if he had done Goldeneye as was originally intended. You can tell the dialogue with M was written for an older Bond. It doesn't punch as hard to have her call Brosnan a dinosaur when he was only in his early 40s. Dalton deserved Goldeneye, but industry bullshit caused too many years go to by since the last Bond movie, and they needed a new actor to jumpstart the series after so long. It was a marketing decision.

except thats the scene where he's surrounded by like 50 guards and trying to think of a way out, he's not planning on shooting anyone

M of all people calling anyone a dinosaur is like Joker saying "Well hello beautiful" to Maggie Gyllenhaal.

Casino and Skyfall are good (even tho Skyfall becomes fucking retarded after the MI6 escape)
Quantum only get's somewhat redeemed since Spectre exists

He brings a good dynamism to the role but conceptually they are stuck in a catch-22 similar to Nolan's Batman movies - they want to be grounded and realistic but half the appeal of the franchise is gadgets and big flashy set pieces.

the whole point of golden eye was a older bond trying to fit into a post cold world

Skyfall was the stupid one with the house at the end right? that sucked.

my main problem with both films is they are too long, you could easily drop 30 minutes from both and they would be watchable, every craig film has him run away or fake his death, except maybe quantum, funny that spectre had a very similar plot to MI5,

home alone bond

At least Bond movies never do this:
>Initiate ghost protocol.
>You want to create a rogue nation?!
>This is the fallout for your actions.

haha i never noticed that

>we will never get Tarantinos Bond starring Fassbender
h-he'll release the script right?

The first 2 are the only good Mission Impossible films.

Mi1 for the twist
MI2 for the cool john woo action

I've only seen his first three (3).
1 > 3 ≥ 2
I can't wait to see the others. I know that "Spectre" has the same plot as Austin Powers 3 and that people trashed it, but it still seems pretty fun to me.
This new one looks like it might be his best ever. I can't wait. I also can't wait for him to make more non-Bond movies and I think I might watch "Knives Out" tomorrow night.

This is a very good point. I would say that it’s a much safer bet to be more “realistic” rather than going for something more over the top and risk not hitting the mark. I’m not sure how well it would go over to become slightly more cartoonish as you already have capeshit movies that are nothing but action and one-liners and thus have cornered the market for it.

Exactly. It would have been twice as good with Dalton, and it's already a great Bond movie. Deepfake + voice modulation when

I enjoyed MI4, 5 and 6 significantly more than any of Craig's Bond films. Never saw MI3 and it was so long ago that I saw 1 and 2 that I don't remember a single thing about them.

yeah I assume people who like it are just muh cinematography director dick riders. even casino isnt that good, most of it is the poker scenes and they're ruined by the dipshit narrating the game for clueless audience members

Check out Logan Lucky as well. It's basically hillbilly Ocean's Eleven, by the same director as the Ocean's Eleven movies. Craig is great in it. He's been Bond for so long it's easy to forget how insane his range is.

Except the series has always mirrored the action movie conventions of the era. Connery and Lazenby have elements of 50s and 60s caper films and war movies. Roger Moore had elements of exploitation and martial arts movies which were big in the 70s. 80s Dalton had cocaine and explosions. Brosnan movies tried to be sleak and cool but mostly came of as campy, just like the rest of the 90s. And Craig is muh gritty realism shaky cam Jason Bourne action intrigue.

Except he should be implying intent to shoot, otherwise any guard who isn't blind would just put a bullet in his head.

They're all good and they're all better than any Craig Bond except Casino Royale. They're very different series but Bond is getting embarrassingly outplayed by MI. I hope based Fukunaga gives us kino.

Objectively correct
CR is one of the best Bond movies to date. The other Craig films have suffered ultimate shame at the hands of development hell and a general lack of the writers actually caring.

This. I will never understand kids who liked Craig, he's been utter dogshit since the start. Not through any fault of the actor, I really like him. But because his movies are poorly written tat that entirely stems from the bad reaction to DaD and "muh Austin Powers".

Dalton was the way to do a dark, brooding Bond. Instead, we get a beta pantywaist who sleeps with old women, cries a lot, and never really accomplishes much of value. Brosnan might've been a bit camp, but he was saving the world.

What the fuck has Craig actually done, in-universe? Stopped some dude who was a bit of a dick in the first movie, some shite about water shortages in the third world in the second, saved ONE old lady in the third who then retired anyway, and then failed to stop a secret organization by taking out one dude?

Brosnan foiled wars and nukes. Where the fuck are the stakes in the Craig movies?

I'd say its due to irony poisoning among the youth. Marvel has succeeded by having a silly franchise that interrupts any serious development with quips. This series has an overall more serious tone but has to stay grounded and all "dark and realistic". Most younger people today wouldn't be able to relate to Bond using fancier gadgets because it would come off as too silly for the sensibilities.

I generally agree and its not helped by the fact that modern warfare is basically just corporate espionage. It's fine to have some of that in any spy movie but there aren't any applicable stock bad guys to have Bond chew through. The closest thing might be the Chinese but they probably won't do that for legal/profit reasons or middle easterners but no one wants to see Bond in the desert.

It's kind of crazy to think Craig has only had five movies in 14 years as Bond. Moore put out twice as many in half as much time.

>Where the fuck are the stakes in the Craig movies?
giving niggers water, a good analogy though maybe too literal for the modern UK

Especially considering the first 2 were about him going on his first mission as a rookie 00 and the other 3 have been about him being an old retired fart that struggles to keep up with the competition

bonds gotta save the world in every film

I'll check it out, thanks.

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I know it's kind of the point that Bond is more fragile in these, but does he really have to be so pathetic in Skyfall after we got so much of that fragility in CR? Virgin Craig Bond decided to get drunk, lazy and let his skills get to the point where he fucked up the scene with the shot glass on the girl's head whereas Chad Bourne's "weakness" is how his sympathetic nature leads him to do things like purposefully get caught in an Italian consulate just to get info and break out again to learn who to exact revenge on, or to wreak havoc across an entire city just to apologize to the daughter of the people he murdered. This is just in the second movie, and he's a clueless sleeper agent. His fuck ups are more about why he does the things he does and not about being incompetent. Again this is OK for CR, but besides that I just wish they didn't make Craig Bond fuck up so often in an attempt to make him more realistic.

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