Did she really love him?

blade runner goes out of its way to hit you over the head with it's themes about AI being more human than human, and people still ask this question

A couple lines of code written by some neckbeard weeaboo said she did

Her love was more pure and real.than anything a roastie could give you

>If a replicant can love
They can't either; K's "love" was just as fake.

love is an abstract concept. it can mean whatever people preconceive it to mean, like in this post in another thread where it is being used in very vague, all-encompassing terms

i wanna know what love is

>The human brain is just a bunch of electrochemical signals firing quickly
No.
Same as any living thing isnt just a random clump of cells
There is really nothing worse than half literate 'fucking love science' teenagers

this
>does muh toaster loves muh dishwasher?

That's a question that amplifies existential motive in this movie. If there is literally no way to distinguish her 'love' from what we would call 'a real love' then what's the difference? Does an origin of a thing define it? Or only its behavior and actions can tell what is it? Her 'feelings' are artificial but if they mean so much for K then can we say they're real? In other words a good old essence vs existence.

This shot spoiled the twist and as such was a massive mistake

If a robot replicates love just as well as a human loves for real, is it real love?

its funny how you deny what what he said, don't provide a counter argument, and hate on the current younger generation.
youre showing your age user, go to bed.

He knew before that.
He wanted to believe he was special, she was telling him what he wanted to hear. But isn't that what we want out of all significant others? Someone who makes us feel special?

He willingly chose to buy into the delusion, and that moment at the billboard was him finally being confronted by and acknowledging the fact.

Yes.

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[SPEAKING JAPANESE]
i dont know why but i laughed

she was programmed to so yes

JERK OFF INSTRUCTION

Yes. We don't naturally love people, we learn to do so, we're taught what it's about like everything else.

There is no difference between light and the illusion of light.

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love is dopamines in your brain, neither robots or holograms can feel it. robots will only feel what they are programmed to and still they wont feel anything other than a simulated reaction to some algorithms embedded in their circuit boards.

I want you to show me

He paid her to pretend to love him, just like real women

yea no doubt. he shuts out all the chaos in his apartment and plays house with joi. something not quiet right.

She was programmed to, but yes she did.

i wish i could hold that divorced spic in my arms just once

well he can lover her but she can never return it.

real talk boys, would you own one?

would it be considered shameful by society to own one?

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do I even have a choice to question it?

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I basically already did

>to pretend to love him
Actually no, he directly told her many times to not just say "I love you" just to say it. "You don't have to say that", if you remember. And he did that for every action with her, never told her what to wear what to do or say.
So he slowly programmed her with his interactions alone for her to become a genuine identity where in the end she is even exploring Deckard's apartment by herself with K just sleeping in the other room. Yet she still loves him, no pretend.

Anyone who says no is a liar.

i never thought id see the day when a wetback would become the hollywood it girl

At first it would be shamed and ridiculed, but just like Siri slowly the product gets accepted no matter what.
In those situations technology wins everytime no matter what

No. That was the point of that scene where it sinks in with him.

What he thought was love was just a series of programmed responses and actions that can be altered with a change in the program. A machine can't feel emotion, and can only simulate it.

Absolutely

It is something we seek yet can never attain

He knew that she's a product from the start you dummy, he's not retarded.
K's perfectly aware she's a product. K most probably saw that ad about a thousand times before. His awareness of her programming and being a corporate product is obvious in that scene where Joi tells him that she loves him and he replies "You don't have to say that". I mean he literally passes by the Joi ad in his Spinner and has voice messages from his boss while he's with Joi in the rain. But it's through their interactions where his Joi became special and unique to him specifically.

And there is a world of difference between someone calling you Joe or "a good Joe", alluding to the average Joe.
Also in the script his Joi calls him "Jo". Take that as you wish.

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the question isn't actually hologram vs replicant, it's organic vs artificial.

Yes and yes.

Wow you've really figured it out.
An AI can't feel love because its reward system isn't based on dopamine. No dopamine no love. Easy huh

your so dumb and dyslexic

Literally the opposite, he'd been wantonly and mindlessly consuming products in an effort to fill the existential void in his life caused by the knowledge that he's artificial, to the point that he was actively avoiding making real connections even when the opportunity presented itself because he thought he could never measure up to the real thing.

He never thought JOI was real, he was using her to de-stress and make himself feel good between harrowing jobs because he thought a real woman would never be able to love him.

This moment broke him because he finally realised that his JOI had actually become an individual and he couldn't simply buy another one and carry on business as usual, and by extension, he realised that he had become an individual too.

This is the moment K actually understands what it means to be special.

That's gross! Racist!

slavery is illegal user...

They do show that he literally lives next to a JOI advertisement throughout the film. He always knew, and was always buying into a fantasy. Watch the way he acts around her in the first JOI scene, it's like he knows it's fake and he's "playing along" but enjoys it regardless because his life is so empty. It's only when he buys into the heroic fantasy story in the middle of the movie and gets caught up in the bigger events that he decides to drop the hesitation/awareness of the false nature and actually believes that she too could be real, just like he too could be the special unique hero-kid.

The ending of the film is him realizing the fantasies/delusions aren't true, but that doesn't make him worthless, as his own actions, his own independent decisions and his own firm humanity are what make his life "real" and there's no need for buying into any fantasy anymore. He moved beyond it.

It's not a twist tho. From the very first scene, she acts like you sterotypical neckbeard fantasy. It's cringy once you have ever been with a (real) girl.

Where am I dyslexic?
Clear this out for me please cuz I'm learning english.

The point still stands though, you can't just dismiss AI love as non-real because its reward system isn't based on same things human reward system is.

Depends really.

She might be no different to a replicant, just that she has no body. While replicants are supposed to be perfectly obedient, they're not.

But just as well she might be a complete simulation without any agency or consciousness of her own.

There's no way to tell really. I'm leaning towards the first option, that she's a being limited by her programming, but still has her own consciousness of sorts. What makes me think that is the fact that she interacts with Mariette and is cold and jealous (?) towards her after the triangle, even though K is not anywhere around to hear it (nor has he anything to gain from her behaviour indirectly), so she doesn't exist and act solely for K's benefit.

Replicants are literally humans, you nigger.

They are the human counterpart of battery chickens. I don't understand why people never get this.

The amount of people who watch Blade Runner and come out of it thinking that the Replicants are robots, like literally programmed and made with metal parts, astounds me.

>Replicants are literally humans
Nope, they are bio-engineered humans. Not born, but manufactured.
Only Ana is born, which is literally seen as the equivalent of a miracle

>Replicants are literally humans, you nigger.
Not really, although Rachael and K's generations are good imitations with the memory implants.

The trouble with replicants is that they have adult bodies from birth and in some cases superhuman ones at that, the way they develop psychologically is entirely different to natural born humans, they will never understand discipline and authority the same way since they can actually murder their parents if they are unhappy.

>AI love
>AI
there's your fucking answer you retard. same thing as saying video game characters can feel love, they have programmed AI with certain reactions to things. according to you this somehow is real.

>according to you this somehow is real.
If it's advanced enough, yes absolutely.

Reactions especially certain aren't programmed you god damn brainlet. Holy shit do you even know what is AI? It has goals and rewards, just like every living organism.

Bio engineered?

Nigger, It's the same shit as copying the homework from your classmate and changing it a little bit. Replicants are tweaked humans with a few kicked out genes to grow in a vat. Tyrell and Wallace were literally pretending to be God, because who in their sane mind would literally code genome and make sure the proteins bend right from fucking scratch.

Ever been in a psych ward? I've met a 40 year woman that was literally an adult sized baby. Do you not consider people like this human? You're probably retarded, my man.

Glorious days of robo waifus are upon us brother

and what would draw this line between what is and what isn't?

actual retard. AI is AI and nothing else. it's always just pieces of code. even if it does think itself it's still making every decision and calculation based on what its code is saying to it to do. and this is true NO matter how complicated or advanced (basically more lines of code) the AI is

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I don't remember humans being able to run through brick walls