I finally finished Buffy a few nights ago. What does Yas Forums think of it? Also how do you rank the seasons?

is angrel worth watching

i dislike all the dumb soap opera stuff between buffy and angel and it's just cringe inducing to see SMG staring dumbly into space as "acting" like being in love with le strange danger man

angel is the better show imo, I guess it helped they had a few years of buffy under their belt first so it doesn't take as long for it to find it's feet.

It's pretty much the same thing but a bit more serious. Plus David is just a million times better at being the lead character. It does get kinda soapy sometimes with Cordelia.

A flunkie?!

Angel winds up being better, but it can be a real chore at parts. Without spoiling, the first half of the hotel and the law firm are have the best parts, but there's a few points in between that are worse than the bad parts of Buffy

Do I actually need to follow an autistic viewing order or can I just watch all of Buffy then all of Angel?

Depends on how good your memory is, and if you don't give a shit about missing a few jokes on Buffy about Angel. Not super necessary really.

that's exactly how you are supposed to watch it.

I think i was like 12 years old the first time I saw it. I remember liking the final season but didn't grasp all of it. Rewatched it later and man, what a GOAT show. my only regret is that Joss got it cancelled early.

The Buffy videogame on the first xbox was a lot of fun.

I mean i had seen a handful of buffy episodse but i watched all of angel first. You could view them in the correct order but it doesn't add that much enjoyment, just watch one or the other

Same. I rewatched it a few years ago and loved it.

It's been a very long time since i've watched an episode of Buffy, but season 5 was my favourite, then Season 3. I'm an oldfag and watched Buffy when it was airing, everyone thought the Drew Goddard episodes in season 7 were amazing.

I really enjoyed the first 3 seasons. I struggled to get into season 4. It was alright, I guess. I only made it a few episodes into season 5 before dropping it.

I think my personal favorites ones are season 2-3. Two because they hit their stride and season three is just kino with the mayor, faith and so on. It felt like a linear or expontential build to that point, later seasons fluctuated much more. But even season 4 that is often thought of poorly has a few good episodes.
Season one is easily the weakest, but also the shortest.

they were probably the best episodes of the season actually.

Seems like the common opinion on here but imo Buffy is way better

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Buffy 2 and 3 were really good, all of Angel was really good, the rest is okay to bad.

Nah, Buffy was great until it left the WB, and even after that it was still watchable. Also Angel season 1 is shit

Season 4 was my least favorite season when I first watched it but after coming back years later weirdly it was my favorite. The Big Bad is pretty weak but it's got a bunch of great episodes.

Agreed, season 6 is similar in that regard, bad story arc but great individual episodes.

I couldn't stand Buffy after high school. The tone changed and not in a good way.

Each season did have one or two kino episodes but the motif / connection between vampires and young people lost its place after 3, and the show felt like it was pushing on after it had finished its premise

Never seen either Buffy or Angel but people still go on about it. Is it worth watching today? Is it still good or has it aged really poorly?

I agree that there was a shift in tone and themes and that the high school years were the most charming but in my opinion it adapted very well and remained thoroughly entertaining up until season 7. Also seasons 4 and 5 had more than a "a few" kino episodes. They had shit tons

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It's aged and campy but still fun
It's self aware and it was an early pioneer of that snarky humour that's so prevalent today so that helps it.

It also has the first recorded verbification of "Google" iirc

>Is it still good or has it aged really poorly?
Anyone who thinks films or TV shows "age" is better off sticking to modern crap

God, Buffy just got hotter every season

>6 > 3 > 2 > 5 > 4 > 7 > 1

Your bottom 3 are pretty much on point but I don't know about your top 4. Season 6's high points are the best thing the show ever did but the low points are pretty bad and there's just something off about half the season. It's really dark with topics like rape and drug addiction but the comedy goes all slapstick and goofy at the same time. I just remember watching it and thinking, 'Who the fuck is this show even for anymore?'. Dark Willow and the whole resurrection shtick is great though, and the musical.

Also am I the only one who's luke-warm on season 3? The whole Buffy/Angel thing is the best goddamn thing about the early show but I just kinda wish Angel remained dead. His actual spin-off show is great but there's just nothing for him to do for an entire season. And why the fuck did he come back from hell? Did we ever get a good answer (genuine question, I haven't seen Buffy or Angel all the way through in a decade). Him coming back just kinda guts all the emotional shit from the back-half of season 2.

I thought I was the only one who thought this, I found her the most fuckable in season 6.

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4 > 5/6/7 > 1/2/3

I like season 6 because it's a lowest point for all three main characters and having Xander save the world is just too great

Riley fan huh?

There are a couple crossovers but the two shows fill in the blanks pretty well for those who aren't watching both

I love most of season 6 but I cannot watch the wedding episode, it triggers my autism so bad that I always turn it off before the halfway point.

>Also am I the only one who's luke-warm on season 3? The whole Buffy/Angel thing is the best goddamn thing about the early show but I just kinda wish Angel remained dead.
lolwut, you might be only fan I've ever seen who thinks the Buffy/Angel schmaltz was the main appeal. I guess if you were a 14 year old girl I'd understand but wew

>His actual spin-off show is great but there's just nothing for him to do for an entire season. And why the fuck did he come back from hell? Did we ever get a good answer (genuine question, I haven't seen Buffy or Angel all the way through in a decade). Him coming back just kinda guts all the emotional shit from the back-half of season 2.
Eh, for me the main appeal of season 3 was Faith and the mayor, and the fact that it's simply chock full of god tier standalone episode like "Band Candy" "The Wish" "Doppelgangland" "The Zeppo" "Bad Girls" "The Prom" etc

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Oh don't get me wrong all that stuff's great but I just strongly remember thinking 'what the fuck is this show even supposed to be anymore?' at certain points. I think it was maybe during the whole magic=drugs shit, or maybe it was the weird arc where Buffy goes to work for Burger King. I dunno it's been years since I've seen it - good bits of season 6 where the best bits of the entire show but the bad was just off-putting and kinda weird.

Also, OP have you started watching Angel yet? It's pretty fucking good although its low-points are an even bigger slog than Buffy's the good stuff is arguably even better than Buffy.

Not at all but I loved the college atmosphere

Yeah, I watched Angel with my mom when I was 12 and I rewatched it when I was 21. I'm 27 in 2 days and I've forgotten a good amount of it but I remember loving the series a lot especially Wesley.

Nowhere near as bad as he's made out to be, just a mediocre farmboy who neither added to nor detracted from my enjoyment of the show. He got kinda annoying in season 5 but was then quickly put on a bus (or helicopter in his case)

He's also offset by Spike in season 4 which is the peak of his character imo, when he was now a series regular but before he became Buffy's lovestruck beta orbiter

i didn't even know angel was related to buffy the first time i watched it. found out midway during season 1 but by that point i was like "no way am i watching a show called "buffy"" so i never did. did not affect me at all i think. later i went on and watched buffy and of course it wasn't bad at all but i still felt that angel wasn't all that strongly tied to buffy. i don't even think the main driving forces of angel, the powers that be, wolfram and hart and the old ones even get mentioned on buffy so you didn't even need it to understand the lore better.

>lolwut, you might be only fan I've ever seen who thinks the Buffy/Angel schmaltz was the main appeal. I guess if you were a 14 year old girl I'd understand but wew
Nah I meant the bit where Angel lost his soul and spent the rest of the season killing off Buffy's friends and mentally torturing her. It made up for all those puppy-dog looks the two gave to each other and all the lovey-dovey shit. I never really cared for Angel up until he developed an actual personality on his own show but fuck he was great as a villain. Best in the series other than maybe Willow near the end.

The big thing though was while that happened you could see Buffy actually develop into the character that everyone remembers her being. Pretty much from the moment her heart gets broken to the moment she fucking stabs him you see her turn from being a quippy girl-power superhero into being a way more interesting and kinda tragic character. Plus the rocket-launcher gag is still a classic.

For me, bringing Angel back after that and then having the two of them go back to making puppy-dog eyes at each other but then not fucking kinda takes the balls away from all of that. Wouldn't change it because Angel's show was fucking awesome but it just kinda kills every scene between the two of them in season 3 and there's a fuckload of scenes in S3 of them starring at each other and spouting romantic cliches and shit.

Yeah but we got the hilarious scene in "The Zeppo" where Xander tries to talk them and gives up because they're having an "epic romantic" scene, so it was all worth it. That episode is hysterical

I think the writers wanted to show the difficulties of trying to be"friends" after a breakup.

This is true, but Supernatural is better than both.

Angel 5
Buffy 3
Angel 4

>[POWER GAP]

Angel 2, 3
Buffy 2, 5, 6

>[POWER GAP]

Buffy 7, 4, 1
Angel 1

Dawn was annoying

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That's literally what every buffy fan thinks when they hear there's a show about Angel. How could le broody vampire boytoy carry a show on his own. Angel's character in his show is actually completely different from Buffy, and the cast built around him ends up being better than Buffy's as well. I thought the same as you at first, but Angel is 100% the better show, just trust me on this.

That's how you're supposed to view it, the shows have different themes and atmosphere, it would be a mistake to switch from one to another constantly. Finish buffy and move on to Angel.

the season they wrote out charisma carpenter because she got pregnant was pretty shitty. (though at the time I enjoyed it a lot)

Holy fuck that first paragraph describes my feelings perfectly, it's the first time I see someone on this board say that. I was cringing throughout their romance so bad but then angel actually turned bad and it was extremely satisfying in a sadistic way. And the show just becomes so much more interesting. Main characters turning bad was a great way to make antagonists, angelus and willow were the best out of all seasons indeed.

there are crossover episodes tho

Only a few and mostly early on. As long as he hasn't completely forgotten buffy's plot and angel popping over in buffy then he can understand what the crossover episodes refer to, they even offer references to the buffy episodes to help the viewer understand iirc. Compare that to keeping a consistent mood and concentrating on 1 cast and storyline, and I think watching them separately is a much better choice.

ayy what was up with angel giving buffy a crucifix later on

wouldn't that shit burn a nigga's hands

Why would anyone throw away that divine gift of a body and turn into an unfuckable landwhale?