Anakin's arc in Attack if the Clones was actually amazing. A young man who had no emotional support...

fuck up cunt not everything has to be schindlers list

If only they would have shown him slaughtering all of them, not just the men, but the women and the children too.
If they ever add scenes to the movies again in the future, that would be a cool one for them to do.
Zoomed out and obscuring his face so you can't tell it was shot 20 years later.

>he doesn't like the iron giant

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The writing sucked, but the pieces were there to show why Anakin had no faith in the galactic system or even the Jedi

That's when I watched them, you're not allowed to talk about your life experience?

Rewatched Attack of the Clones tonight, honestly, it was pretty damn solid. I don't see why it's the worst film, or considered

The pissed off people that were kids when ESB was out

Conceptually-speaking, the prequels are the best period for Star Wars, the plot is by far the most interesting and original of any of the trilogies and they pretty much defined the extended universe, the problem is the mediocre execution, visual effects aren't really a problem, they're a product of their time just like those in the OT, it's the directing that really drops the ball.

shut up retard zoomer the prequels sucked

Greatest actor of his or any other generation.

Those films are all completely unwatchable shit!

Ah yes for children. Appropriate.

The thing most people overlook is that Anakin is not a normal kid.

He is much more sensitive to the force than anyone else. He has extreme empathy and can almost physically feel the pain of others from how wired he is to the force. The conflict between his natural emotiveness and the imposed stoicicity the jedi demand is what drives his character to his weaknesses.

Too bad most people are brainlets who think prequels are shit for not following a cookie-cutter fantasy plot where another princess is saved and a mustache twirling evil guy is killed.

>He is much more sensitive to the force than anyone else.
Well he was created by the force so it makes sense

Mark Hamill was relentlessly handsome. Hayden Christensen is relentlessly handsome.

It's not.

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>tfw I watched Star Wars Episode III on acid last night
>tfw I realise that these films are entirely about the Oedipus Complex, with both Anakin and Luke wanting to symbolically fuck their mothers.
>tfw I realise that lightsabers are inherently phallic, with Anakin as a young boy in Episode I catching a glimpse of Qui-Gon's "laser sword" and knowing that it has an unstoppable power
>tfw the last scene of Padme is with the trinket that Anakin got from his mother on Tatooine before he left
>"The Dark Side" of the force is embracing these feelings and wanting to engage in Satanic lust
>Anakin blames Obi-Wan (The Superego/The Father) for stealing his mother (Padme) from him

I honestly can never watch these films the same way. I just wanted to watch lightsaber battles and Clone Troopers go pew pew.

Well fortunately we are man-children.

Would it have been a better arc for anakin for both the trilogy/this movie if episode 2 started with anakin’s mom on courescant.

Maybe she’s working to help out padme and palpatine, something small like she’s a housemaid or something, but you get that intro scene with anakin and his mom. He’s wishing life could be better for her, she reassures him it was better, and THATS WHEN you get the terrorist bombing the actual movie starts with.

Anakin’s arc through episode two is now about a young man coping with loss and trying to replace that loss with padme. Instead of raging out at ‘innocent villagers’ for only a scene and never really brought up again.

We see his cruelty/hate lashing out at everyone around him, especially those who care for him. In place of the “I slaughtered them like animals” scene you have anakin confiding in padme about a recent outburst at obi wan, maybe obi was poorly trying to console anakin and anakin turns on him in a fit of rage, they crossbsabers for an instant (setting up episode 3), and eventually anakin calms down/obi doesn’t tell the council in fear of anakin being expelled/whatever.

I just feel like the shmi death is the absolute worst version of how you could handle that plot point. I don’t know, I’ve been drinking

While you're not wrong, these emotional turmoils are being delivered by someone that can't act their way out of a paper bag.

Worst post on Yas Forums right now

>sounds a lot like a dictatorship
>well, if it works
How was the empire bad anyway? Sheev did nothing wrong, and Anakin's vengeance on the sand people for his mom was justified.

What has the dark side of the force really done besides bring out evil in people, Force Lightning, and an unconfirmed ability to prevent people from dying?

people only aren't replying to you because what you've said is an irrefutable truth

Dude it's fucking true. Darth Vader is straight up Oedipus Rex, watch the film again and all the mother undertones become apparrent. George Lucas was inspired by Joseph Campell who was in the psychoanalytic school.

More context:
"It's all Obi-Wan's fault!"
"I HATE YOUUU"
Anakin hates his father, Obi Wan, for being sexual competitor to his mother. Obi Wan is Anakin's master and tries to teach him about "balancing" the Force. The force is not spiritual, it's psychosexual and an impulse aka Eros/Thanatos.

I am not saying that this is the only thing going on in the films (obviously there is political commentary on neo-conservatism and Fascism arising from decadent democracies) but it's a pretty big fucking theme.

It's not a mistake that Lucas made Padme significantly older than Anakin by 4 or 5 years. The awkwardness of having Anakin discover sexuality as a child is the entire point of his fall. This is why Lucas was adamant about kid Anakin despite studio pressure

>no emotional support
He literally had Obi-Wan being his surrogate daddy with him 24/7, and Yoda asking after his wellbeing too.

>vagina balcony

Lucas is a Proud Progressive, and paints the right wing as corrupt and nihilistic on top, supported by emotionally unstable narcissistic manchildren on the bottom

Whereas the Galactic Republic was totally decadent and inefficient at serving individual planets. Oh yeah and was enforced by weird, sexless religious freaks who kidnap children into their cult.

So the part where his mother was raped before he went on a massacre was for children? Damn Lucas is fucked up

Penis room

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He was also emotionally dependant on Obi Wan, which is the real relationship at the heart of the prequels. They have lots of great scenes together, and their relationship is incredibly complicated.

But when you go back and watch ESB now its kind of... average.

AOTC = KINO

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I still think it's a case of bad choices rather than bad overall direction. The movies LOOK good, the plot unfolds at a good pace. There are just some things that feel a bit awkward/out of place.

This really makes me want to watch it again

this and he does have plenty of scenes with padme with majority in revenge

pottery

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Joseph Campbell’s Hero’s Journey, user

It is not "solid" at all, but Detective Obi-Wan is the coolest idea the prequels had and the Obi-Wan vs Jango fight on the landing pad is the closest thing to a good fight sequence the prequels had.

Jar Jar is the true pled filter

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what a hack all he did was steal them why not make jar jar get blown up

It sure is amazing how much more interesting an actual street is as a set than the Windows XP default wallpaper.

No shit, do you think I'm an idiot? Look at the influences of Campbell. Do you think great thinkers just have no priors? Campbell was a Jungian and that has ties to Freudianism.

It hasn’t been ‘for kids’ since 1977

>Would it have been a better arc for anakin for both the trilogy/this movie if episode 2 started with anakin’s mom on courescant.

I don't think it would. Grief and loss aren't the sole agents of Anakin's downfall - the context of Shmi's death is important, too. By context, I mean galactic society and politics. Anakin and Shmi were slaves on a lawless Outer Rim world, where, as Shmi says:

"The Republic doesn't exist out here… We must survive on our own."

In the first place, Anakin has first-hand knowledge of life without the rule of law. He knows its hardships, its sufferings. He's witnessed for himself the oppression, violence, and injustice that thrive when wealth is the only requirement to power - not the will to do good, but merely will to exploit. How many times did Anakin suffer humiliation and abuse, only to be forced to swallow his anger and resentment, to endure in silent, seething rage, because vengeance would bring ruin on his family and friends?

In the second place, this injustice was allowed to thrive because of the Galactic Republic. What are Obi-Wan's boasts of "peace and justice", the Republic's claims to democracy and the rule of law to Anakin but empty pretensions, hollow platitudes? Ultimately, what WAS the Republic other than an economic alliance, existing only to facilitate free trade, and entirely beholden to the corporations which were its puppet-masters? Isn't that the true genius of Palpatine's plan - in manipulating the Trade Federation into taking military action, he effectively positioned a company as a rogue nation. When corporations grow so powerful that they can threaten the lives and freedom of ordinary people, when they can not just circumvent the law, but disregard it entirely, the only solution is to grow the power of the state.

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And then, finally, the Jedi. The Jedi liberate Anakin from Tatooine, but not his mother - leaving Anakin distraught and guilty at her abandonment. The one person in the galaxy who has loved him, and whom he loves in return, he is torn away from, and then whirled halfway across the galaxy. The Jedi didn't free his mother using force because to do so would be an act of war, a political intervention by a Republic paramilitary organisation which could destabilise the region - in the name of preserving peace, therefore, they allowed suffering and injustice to thrive. And then Anakin himself – in deep pain now, suffering silently, in grief and in fear for his mother’s life and well-being, now he’s no longer there to protect her – now he is told to put aside his emotions. To put aside his love for his mother, and, in effect, his mother’s life – cease to care, he is told. Your love is wrong. Your emotions are wrong. You are inadequate. The freedom he was promised turns out to be another kind of prison – but now it is his mind and heart that are policed, rather than his body and life. What else to do with that anger, then, that burning sense of injustice, but thrust it down, thrust it deep, where it can fester and grow, become a tumour on his soul?

If Shmi is a housemaid on Coruscant, Anakin will have grown up enjoying all the freedoms and protections and privileges of life on a Republic world. Anakin would not be a person filled with anger and resentment if he had grown up happy, healthy, and safe. If Shmi dies in a terrorist attack, her death could not be laid at the feet of the Republic or the Jedi, but at those that threaten the Republic – if anything, the version of Anakin’s origin story that you offer would likely lead to Anakin becoming the greatest Jedi of all time. He could grieve in a healthy way, because her death, while shocking and tragic, would very much be a case of wrong place, wrong time, rather than the culmination of a series of catastrophic failures by the ruling system. People search for meaning after loss – what better place to find that meaning, to find purpose, but in the Jedi and in the Republic that those terrorists threaten?

If Shmi is tortured to death at the hands of savages on an ungoverned frontier world, if she dies despite the fact that Anakin – not just a warrior, but a knight and even a HERO, wielding immense physical and psychic power – could have protected her, could even have freed her, SHOULD have protected and freed her – and did not because he grudgingly submitted to his masters’ will and supposed wisdom, then you have sown the seeds of tyranny. It’s a three-pronged failure. Not the Jedi’s wisdom, but the Jedi’s apathy, sacrificing justice for peace, for the political status quo. The Republic’s failure to uphold the rule of law, its abandonment of frontier worlds and frontier peoples. And, worst of all, a son’s failure to protect his mother. A son’s betrayal. The grief, the anguish, the horror – absolute suffering, and, from it, an unquenchable rage, a boundless hatred.

To mitigate the enormity of his failure, and now, to protect the ones he loves – Padma, his children - the galaxy must be civilised. Order must be imposed, not by consent, but by force. The Republic and the Jedi have allowed suffering and injustice to flourish and thrive – they are weak institutions, crippled by bureaucracy and their own hypocrisy. The Old Regime must fall, and a new one rise.

I could go into the real failures of the prequel trilogy, which are both in concept and execution, but I’d argue that Shmi’s death is not just a good scene, a necessary and important scene, but the best and maybe ONLY good scene in the prequel trilogy.

Copying something old =/= good