Devs

I mean, if you only go between Yas Forums, your kitchen, and your bed, you’re not going to see much of anything.

Those things do happen because of reasons though. They are an effect of something. There is a cause for them.

No, you didn't.

OP IS GONNA SAY THE N WORD

Am I the only one that thought they re-hired Lyndon since he was working with them in the last episode?

>Asimov
i keep hearing this name in these threads, are there books i should read?

give hint

spontaneous emission and radioactive decay

time

poopoo and peepee

I hate when i can't predict my poos.

you don't know asimov? jeeze, user. get with the past

He said reason but he really means "happens without a cause." Many things happen without a reason.

No Asimov was a jew hack don't bother.

>In computing, a hardware random number generator (HRNG) or true random number generator (TRNG) is a device that generates random numbers from a physical process, rather than by means of an algorithm. Such devices are often based on microscopic phenomena that generate low-level, statistically random "noise" signals, such as thermal noise, the photoelectric effect, involving a beam splitter, and other quantum phenomena. These stochastic processes are, in theory, completely unpredictable, and the theory's assertions of unpredictability are subject to experimental test.

Also not very long time ago, multiverse theory was bunked by scientific experiment.

Quantum leap

>bunked
you mean proven?

This show is beating Westworld at being a "smart" sci fi show that is deathly dull.

i heard ww s1 is good. should i watch it?

It was fine. Season 2 it starts to drag, I don't think I even finished it. Tried to start season 3 and I couldn't finish the 2nd episode. It's so damn boring and dour.

Philosophically speaking, if a thing only ever happens because it is caused, it's synonymous to assert a thing can't happen without a cause.

The only thing that could happen without a cause would be the first thing to happen. I think this is essentially one of the arguments for God as Prime Mover, aristotlean.

One question the show raises I think is the logic of asserting randomness. How can you create a test to show randomness or unpredictability. It's paradoxical. Proof is based on prediction and things followed cause and effect. It's like asking to measure something immeasurable.

lets forget all the philosophical bullshit how did the way back tv make the sun spin backwards?

>jews bad

life is the universe’s rng seed is my theory

Good morning! It survived!
>Big bang
Yes. There is no "before" the big bang, thus there is no cause and thus no reason.
>Wave functions collapsing?
That happens upon "observation" though.
The other one I was thinking is the spontaneous creation of a particle and anti-particle.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle
He was basically the Twilight Zone but in written form. Asimov wrote a story called "The Dead Past" where they create a machine that can perfectly show you the past. Long story short, the twist is that the creator's wife tries to use it as escapism and endlessly watch their dead daughter. The govt. comes to shut his machine down and it turns out they already have one - and they use it to see 1 nanosecond into the past - essentially giving them an unstoppable spying machine.

still waiting on the event that happens all the time

Virtual particles are spontaneous creation and almost immediate annihilation of a particle and anti-particle due to quantum fluctuations. They happen all the time, all over the place.

i want to know about the hobo. when katie said “i told her everything. well, not everything” it cut to the hobo who has not been addressed yet

>due to
That's going to get me in trouble. What I should say is that quantum fluctuations show that the the spontaneous creation of virtual particles happen, but there is nothing preceding the spontaneous creation that can point to when and where it will happen - like an electron in superposition. The best you can predict is that within a region of space, it will be happening a certain average amount.

>There is no "before" the big bang
based retard

We're made to think the machine works because everything is predetermined (assuming they dropped the kid's multiverse update)

The same starting conditions at big bang would lead to the exact same state of the quantum foam billions of years later.

You could still argue both ways about the Big Bang being with or without reason.
aka you can always put a God/predeterminism just outside our current scope of understanding.

Unless it turns out in a later episode that it's just a very close but no cigar simulation and there is free will after all which is why the simulation breaks at a certain point in time... which of course is a paradox and doesn't make sense at any level - implies no free will moment happened for at least 2000 years as the machine wouldn't be able to see past it.

>implies no free will moment happened for at least 2000 years as the machine wouldn't be able to see past it.
free will is not a factor in the past because it has already transpired, hindsight is 20/20. atleast that’s what i was assuming

WOO! No work today, back to shitposting.
>We're made to think the machine works because everything is predetermined
Yes, the prime "what if" of the show is basically they solved how to turn the inherently probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics and made it specifically predictable
>the electron is going to be right there at this time
instead of the apparent reality of
>the electron is going to be somewhere in this region, but it is not possible to predict exactly where until you collapse the superposition
It just would have been nice if they had said something to that effect.

>Radioactive decay is a random process, which means that it is impossible to predict when a particular radioactive nucleus will decay. It is also spontaneous, meaning that you cannot cause or influence the time of a decay by any means.
this means there's "no reason" a radioactive nucleus decays at one particular time over another. causality btfo.

And yet we use a decay of cesium as the most stable iteration of time we know.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium_standard
>"The second is the duration of 9192631770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom."

No, I think I'm wrong. There's likely a difference between radioactive decay and the radiation corresponding to energy level transitions.

That episode was amazing though. The scope of the show really opened up here and the CSN song at start and outro fit it so perfectly. I was very uneasy and weirded out by some of the plot too, like that fucking pillow talk scene.

did forrests wife die in the accident with amaya?

i had no idea the guy from parks and recreation was such a good actor. he plays a creepy fuck really convincingly.

Checked.
For an actor whose primary mode is "expressionless" - he can do it with a lot of range.

Everything that has ever happened and will happen was decided right after the Big Bang, there's no escaping it. It's just atoms moving and nobody can predict what's going to happen because you can't "observe" the universe from outside.

Yeah it really adds a lot of terrifying suggestion to what is going on in his head. The expressionlessness turns him into a Lovecraftian beast of some sort, just something inscrutable and other-than. He looks scariest in that one scene where he's sitting next to Devs in that magnetic field with his eyes bloodshot red and just staring at the ground.

I think the show is starting to suggest that Devs will end the world by observing quantum reality. This is really underpinned by the flashback scene of the goblin college professor talking about the particle experiment thingy.

>Jews good because hating Jews mean
He was a jew hack and the fact that you're upset about the fact I mentioned that he was Jewish just goes to show how sensitive you are. What does the fact he's Jewish have to do with you being upset? Is he not allowed to be Jewish and a hack? I think you should re-examine your perspectives because if the only logical state a jew can be is good than you're living in peak delusion

it's the same thing in this case.

The setup reminds me of the book "The Arrows of Time" where they also have a future sight machine that goes blank at a fixed point. The characters had to plot out a disruption to the machine that would be more likely than any potential cataclysmic event to make sure that was the reason for the blackout, as opposed to extinction.

I hope they don't shit the bed with it. Your thing sounds like the kind of ending I want from this show. It's really emotional and atmospheric so far and I always make the mistake of reading too far into things I think have potential and then it ultimately underwhelms.

I agree. Mostly because when I watch Devs, I never once think of Ron Swanson, which is what I feared will happen when I heard he is cast

There's a great book by Greg Egan that deals with the many-worlds conception on a macroscopic scale. They basically create a device that puts a person into superposition, and collapses the macro-wave function onto the desired result.
For instance, at one point the MC is given a lock with billions of combinations, and he has one chance to enter the right code. So he activates the device, and enters a code. What is happening with the device is that billions of realities - in which a version of MC enters every possible combination - and then collapses onto the version that got it right.
The fun part is what is going on in MC's mind during the superposition. He knows that putting in the wrong code means he and his reality will vanish upon the collapse. He knows that not entering anything will "kill" him. He also knows he doesn't have to do anything because some version of him will get it right and thus he will ultimately live on.
So there's a dilemma where the MC is trying very dangerous things, like say taking on an army single-handedly. He knows it will happen, SOME version of him succeeds, so there's no ultimate risk. Yet each version also knows that they're likely to be killed in the attempt, or fail in some other way, or just chicken out and not even attempt it - and any of those results mean their reality collapses and no longer exists. So each version is warring with the fatalism of almost certainly failing yet still ultimately succeeding, and with the determination to be the one that succeeds and thus continues to exist after the wave collapse.

And then it gets weird with alien stuff, but the device is a great look into the what if.

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If they're going to pull some ex machina shit with this guy at the last episode i'm going to be real mad

Coincidentally, Egan also wrote the book I referenced. He does hard sci-fi in all the best ways, and this show gives off his vibes. As other user said, hopefully they don't shit the bed with it.