Atheists cannot create true art because they have rejected the transcendant. Prove me wrong

Atheists cannot create true art because they have rejected the transcendant. Prove me wrong.
>inb4 some illiterate confuses technical prowess with artistry.

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Okay but you have to give a non horseshit definition of transcendent first

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>the transcendant

The transdendant is a concept that can be anything greater than humans, it doesn't have to be the biblical God. Also, art is inherently leftist, and lastly, the modern right does not believe in God whatsoever.

God as the source of all creation and illumination. Materialist brainlets will reject this because they have conditioned themselves not to understand it.

kek - little Jesus bitch still mad about the Passion thread.

Fuck god. Fuck god and jesus right in heir faggot assholes. And fuck you.

>God as the source of all creation and illumination
[citation missing]
>inb4 "the Bible", that isn't a reliable source

Art is traditionalist. Leftist "art" is the destruction and deseceation of what came before.

Proof?

Art is not inherently traditionalist, you fucking moron.

Jesus was a liberal.

That's bullshit and you know it. Discarding 99% of art is pointless.

Based Mel

Wrong. Art is. Not inherently political and all humans can make art. Also there is a huge boom in Christian identity coming from the right rn.

Then why has the rejection of tradition lead to nothing but inferior art?

Jesus wasn’t a liberal you idiot. How does being a gay hating god fearing traditional family supporting man make you a liberal?

For the same reason you can't differentiate between fact and subjective opinion.

99% of everything is worthless.

>gay hating
Point to the passage where Jesus says he hates gays.

All people can make art but art that has connection to the transcendent is usually better. We all have god inside us, people who deny that are less in tune with it so usually don’t make lasting artistic accomplishments.

>fought for equality of all men AND women before God, casting aside race/culture
>vehemently against accumulation of material wealth
>supported charity and sharing wealth with the poor

Yup. Born and bread conservative, for sure...

only fags and liberal npc's are atheist

>science is an entity that can be denied
>there isn't currently a reproducability crisis
>the right are the ones denying biological facts about genetics and physical sex

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The left only truly betrays art. Because they reject beauty and truth. They are relativists. Art must have some center of beauty to be art. Taste is subjective but objective beauty isn’t.

Haha, sure bud. Time to lick doorknobs with the rest of your congregation.

>The left has betrayed art and the soul completely
I don't think it's necessarily their intent to do so, but if we're talking about modern art, that's somewhat correct. And if you look at the far-left historically, it's definitely true. But some of the best art known to man has been created in times of artistic oppression so I don't think anyone can truly destroy art even in a contemporary aspect.
At the same token art doesn't have to be purely traditionalist either.

The typical modern Christian is a watered down Schofield liberal hippy. Christ also said that we should sell our cloak and buy a sword. You can hate human wickedness but still hope they repent. Being gay is destructive on more than just a religious level. You can look at the gay community for proof.

>there is no such thing as science denial
>leftists are the true science deniers

See what ya did there? Stop it.

Yes, I see that you think science is an entity which decides facts, and not simply a tool for observing the world. Denial of facts is not denial of science, because science is not an entity.

There's a church in Westboro I'm sure you'd love.

The problem is you're probably only interested in that singular aspect of God's teachings. You can be a Crusader without the need to believe in God or the need to subscribe to Christian ideology.

I never said hate was the only thing. Love sometimes is harsh. The father disciplines his son to make sure he doesn’t repeat his mistakes. I have gay friends and I love them. I never stop telling them they’re faggots though.

>Yes, I see that you think science is an entity which decides facts
And I see you're a strawmanning faggot who lacks logic and reading comprehension.

everything of human creation is art by definition. i could cum in an envelope and it would be considered art if i said it was.

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He didn’t fight for equality you retard. The Tower of Babel is literally a lesson on why multiculturalism is bad and doomed to implode. Christianity is hierarchical as hell. Women are the lesser and are meant to obey. That doesn’t mean we hate them but if you’ve lived around women most of them are big children. Also being charitable is not inherently left or right leaning. Anybody can give out money. Render unto Caesar.

"Leftist art" is obese unshaven feminists squatting over a canvas and squeezing out period clots.

True art, or "conservative art" are sprawling cathedrals, the Sistine Chapel, the Statue of David, etc.

>"B.. B.. But beauty is subjective!"
This is what atheists ACTUALLY believe...

You're the one claiming that 'science' can be denied. It can't be. Science is not an entity. Facts can be denied, science can not be.

That’s Protestant crap mostly. You seem to lack knowledge of actual Christianity and are going on Hollywood depictions. Please read more. Chesterton is great.

The problem I encounter in certain aspects of Christianity is that someone can take very basic ideas of wright and wrong, and use them to justify behavior that is otherwise not Christian. And the issue with modern society is that it's so corrupt, it's very easy to be swayed in one direction or the other.
So it's not the lack of action that I'm interested in, but action that is mindful.

Right wingers can't love. They can have sex, but they don't know how to love. And good art is love.

AHAHAHA the wesburo church meme. 2010 called it wants it’s fedora jargon back. Actually read Christian history.

All non religious movements are doomed to fail. God is not only useful for keeping a culture together, but it’s true. Please actually read the Bible. Study the great thinkers like Chesterton and Belloc.

I would argue that they can love passionately, but their propensity for hate is just as potent. This boils down to a human issue more than an ideological one though. I often find myself wondering how anyone has the mental energy necessary to hate or even love on a day to day basis but I'm not a psychologist.

>Jesus was a liberal

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Anybody can justify terrible beliefs with their own rationalizations. Problem is god IS truth. The word is god and is with god. Atheist morality always ends in nihilism. You can’t get an ought from an is.

I've read it, and it's a good strategy to follow even if you don't believe in God. But David killing Goliath doesn't mean you should go out and kill all people who are over 6'5''. And while this may sound like a joke we've been past that point for a while now.

Love is the acts, not the feels. Love is planting a tree for who’s shade you will never sit under. All humans can make art in the sense I can pick up paint and splatter it. But true art comes from the transcendent. A child mimicking his father just as we mimic god in creation.

>muh jesus
>18 unique IP's
>56 replies
lol this christcuck still seething from the other day

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"You're jacking off into your own face the WRONG way!"

Do you really think Christians are the only people who’ve killed? The Jewish communists killed millions of people. Islam has done the same. African tribals butchered countless. Problem is, feeling bad about killing involves morality. And morality doesn’t mean jack if god doesn’t exist. If god isn’t real, those feelings of yours are just chemicals. They mean nothing. No free will or choice. You’re a robot.

>conversations bad
Also the "christcuck" is right about a lot of things and is generally being reasonable. Try to view religion as more of a guide or a strategy rather than an ideology, and maybe you'll get your head out of your own ideological ass. Being religious or an atheist in itself does not make you a worthwhile individual.

>Problem is god IS truth.
holy cringe. you know that smart people just read a bunch of stuff and make good decisions based on that and based on native intelligence. This is just a little secret I'm letting you grugbrain in on.

>believing in a person greater than yourself
The ultimate cuckery

Who’s to say what’s good or bad decisions are at that point? No objective force of judgment ends in nihilism. You can grumble all you like, but you’ll never escape the pit you’re in unless you realize that.

>communists killed millions of people
That much is true, although I never said leftist ideologies are morally superior. Quite the opposite, most religion based ideologies have a higher standing. But I also don't think the modern left knows what actual communism is, or that they're aiming to emulate it.
>Jewish
If you're talking about the soviet union there's nothing jewish about that. Again, don't mix the modern and the historical. Jewish have other problems though.
>And morality doesn’t mean jack if god doesn’t exist
I disagree with that. If the only reason you feel like you should be moral is due to the prize at the end, you've missed the point, and in a lot of ways are not a proper Christian.
>those feelings of yours are just chemicals. They mean nothing.
If they are there, they are there for a reason, even if that is humanity's attempt at self preservation. The fact that a lot of these moral choices are already intuitive to a lot of people and even some animals is telling enough that they are there for a reason.

From my perspective it's just as much cuckery to think you're the only worthwhile person in existence because the only individual who cares about it is yourself.
You can repeat to yourself "im based" a thousand times, and there's nothing wrong with that, but if a tree fell in a forest and no one was there to see it, it might as well still be standing.

Why is the Bible not a reliable source?

>If god isn’t real, those feelings of yours are just chemicals.
if god is real then you're just being good for good boy points. you know that most athiests get along not raping and murdering. ironically shitbag christcucks that confess/accept jesus (or similar) get a free pass

>Also the "christcuck" is right about a lot of things and is generally being reasonable. T
yes some implicit beliefs turn out to be good or beneficial. (but you're supposed to get that it's just a meme)

>if god is real then you're just being good for good boy points
True Christians don't think this way. But it's difficult to interpret the Bible and understand it fully. By all accounts there are many atheists who are much better christians than the actual christians are.

Huh?

I'm based though, and you are objectively a cuck. Think about it logically.