Does anyone else feel like the shows decision to take so long focused on Jimmy before he becomes Saul was a bad attempt to mimic Breaking Bad's arch of "seemingly normal guy turns evil". I mean, as far as lawyers go Saul really isn't that evil anyway.
Saul was by far my favorite character I'm Breaking Bad. I always felt like he was D&D neutral, not evil. He does whatever benefits him and usually his clients the most. If it happens to be moral that's fine. If not, that's fine too. Remember he rejects Walt's initial offer to have his client refuse a plea deal.
I would have been way more happy with maybe one season to turn him into Saul, and then a bunch of fun and funny hijinks interwoven into how he got involved with Mike and His and the Cartel. Hell, I would've watched the show if it took place after BrBa. Imagine how kino it would be to watch a comedy with Saul, Huel and Bill Burr getting up to shenanigans.
No You didn't get it. When the show starts, Jimmy is already Slippin.
Samuel Harris
Better Feed Sneed
Benjamin Ross
this would be way better if half of the show wasn't focused on Mike, and it was focused on Nacho instead
Jaxon Barnes
Oh that's the sequel from Seeding Chuck?
Eli Gutierrez
I prefer the show this way OP and don't really care about the connection to BB that much. Comedic elements are nice but I don't want it to be too often. BCS is about character study and it really highlights great elements of the downfall of slippin Jimmy
Michael Gray
This isn't Breaking Bad. You're not taking Mr. Chips and turning him in to Scar Face. BCS takes Jimmy McGill, someone who has a history of being an impulsive con-artist and shows that even despite his attempts at living a straight life, he ultimately is not cut out for it. He just can't stop Slippin' he lives for the con.
Christian Walker
This, he never was the good guy from the start
Carson Thomas
Fucking chuck*
Benjamin Young
I understand that. But my point is, it may be a good character study, but we got that in BrBa. I feel like it's a waste of a great character in Saul. I know it's hip on here to talk about how this show is better than BrBa, and 40 minutes of Mike trying to kill a spider, but accidentally unplugs his TV and modem and it ends on a cliffhanger of him trying to remember his wifi password, but as much as I love Mike, I'd still rather see more of Saul.
Just imagine a more serious version of It's Always Sunny with an ensemble of Saul, Mike, Huel, Burr and whoever else. I'm more interested in learning about the secretary he had on BrBa than I am in his brother or Kim.
Nathaniel Nelson
Walt was never good either. He was a whipped ego maniac. He starts losing it fairly early in the show, and his hubris over Grey matter is ultimately the root of all his problems. We don't need every detail of Slipping Jimmy's past. It's not necessary. Saul is compelling character and they had the opportunity to make him the center of all kinds of interesting characters in his clients and the people they associate with. It wasn't necessary to take such a goofy character and spend almost the entire series focused on intense drama of his past before he even became that character.
Aaron Lee
>Just imagine a more serious version of It's Always Sunny with an ensemble of Saul, Mike, Huel, Burr and whoever else. I'm more interested in learning about the secretary he had on BrBa than I am in his brother or Kim. You need to stop this nonsense. Literally no one else thinks this. Kim and Chuck are both very well written characters. The new characters are the most compelling aspect of the show. You need to get over your Breaking Bad high and either move forward or realize you're never going to get that same experience again and embrace new ideas.
Juan Moore
Saul literally has the same motivation as Walt now. He wants to stick it to Howard, and show that he can become an enormous success on his own terms. Walt did the same thing with that company that screwed him over. They're both turning to the dark side for the same reasons.
Ayden Jenkins
>Literally no one else thinks this
Except a number of people who don't like it. I don't mean a full on comedy, I mean a more lighthearted and fun show about Saul. Not a bone chilling slow burn about Jimmy.
And I do like the show. As I said, Saul was my favorite character. I just wish he had become Saul by at least season 2, maybe the beginning of season 3. It didn't even take this long for Walt to become Heisenberg.
Adrian Lopez
I know, and that's boring. We've already been down this road.
Jason Hernandez
>Except a number of people who don't like it. I don't mean a full on comedy, I mean a more lighthearted and fun show about Saul. Not a bone chilling slow burn about Jimmy. BCS in its current state is so much better than le wacky lawyer weekly shenanigans with Saul the caricature that we could have gotten. I'm seriously convinced that the people who criticize this show for taking so long with Jimmy's development in to Saul are just trying to compensate for wanting to experience Breaking Bad for the first time again.
>Not a bone chilling slow burn about Jimmy. Slow burns make the greatest fires.
Matthew Martinez
Hubris plays a part in both of their lives, but it's not the sole reason that they turn out that way, it's the challenges that they overcome transforming them, Walt had his back against the wall with Gus, he had no other options, Jimmy did too with Chuck, their skills is what made them succeed but they just don't know when to stop and it leads to their doom, quite tragic figures really
Brody Mitchell
making a serious unfunny drama about a comic relief character was a mistake
Nathan Garcia
>I mean, as far as lawyers go Saul really isn't that evil anyway. Lawyers would get disbarred at least 20 times if they did what he does
Camden Miller
>muh filter >muh slow burn
Benjamin Howard
The entire show is just Vince giving work to his friends
Matthew Phillips
We get this. That much was clear from the very first season. It’s just not interesting to watch 50 episodes of.
>Just imagine a more serious version of It's Always Sunny with an ensemble of Saul, Mike, Huel, Burr and whoever else. Sounds way better than what we got.
Landon Jenkins
>It wasn't necessary to take such a goofy character and spend almost the entire series focused on intense drama of his past before he even became that character. This. I think most people were just hoping to see more of Saul’s criminal law practice without Walt involved, not the story of him struggling before that. This would explain the steady decline in viewers.
>Kim and Chuck are both very well written characters. Kim is a typical boring career woman. Chuck is a mentally ill lawyer with the temperament of an 8 year old. Neither are well written.
Elijah Russell
>I'm seriously convinced that the people who criticize this show for taking so long with Jimmy's development in to Saul are just trying to compensate for wanting to experience Breaking Bad for the first time again. That’s how you know you’re experiencing cognitive dissonance. Can you really not comprehend that some people these characters boring or annoying?
Ethan Green
You and the few hundred thousand others who haven’t turned it off yet.
Josiah Robinson
It was already beautiful user...
Joshua Campbell
Saul Goodman is a caricature. Mike is a boring grandpa. Jesse Pinkman is a retarded meth head. Reductionist blanket statements can be made about literally any character that's ever existed, doesn't make you correct in the slightest.
Oliver Evans
None of those characters are contradictions. World class lawyer who is also an idiot is. Using idiocy to explain away character contradictions is bad writing.
Luke Clark
>World class lawyer who is also an idiot is Which character are you referring to?
Chuck. He’s a world class lawyer and he’s retarded. Bad character.
Lincoln Ortiz
>oh wow you memorised all these laws you must be so smart Lawyers are idiots who can read big books.
Gavin Moore
Would you care to explain why specifically you think he's retarded?
William Miller
Not the original dude you were debating, but...
Gillian and Gould approaches the story from multiple angles when they were trying to crack the overall plot in pre production. It does sound like your idea of “Saul/Always Sunny” was considered, but they obviously thought this was the better route to take and I agree with them.
Kim is a very interesting character to me, and as the story goes on I can’t figure out how and why she wasn’t in Breaking Bad. My current theory is that she was around for the entirety of BB and we just never knew since the story was focused on Walt.
Also, yeah, the other storylines with Gus and Nacho are intriguing. The building of the super lab was kinda cool, but this season with Gus having to outsmart Lalo in a cat and mouse game has been on fucking point.
Daniel Lopez
Have you even watched the show? If you want to have a retard as a main character there’s nothing wrong with that, but you can’t also make him a partner in a major law firm. It would be like if Jesse Pinkman became a software engineer.
That song shouldn't work as well to this as it does.
Logan Sanchez
yes, he didn't deserve a show because he isn't a very interesting character and this show proves that
Ayden Sullivan
The dude had a mental illness. His mind was still sharp, he just experienced some sort of trauma that caused him to develop his EHS. It could have stemmed from a multitude of factors that the show delves in to about his past.
Easton Martinez
>Kim is a very interesting character to me no, you're just attracted to her. she's a complete bore
Eli Davis
Couldnt agree more. I watched the first series of Better Call Saul then gave up on it for the reasons you stated.
Levi Johnson
>Jesse Pinkman became a software engineer bravo Vince
Gabriel Lewis
You do realize he became a partner at HHM years before he became mentally ill, right?
Jackson Lewis
It should be focused on Kim's tight asshole.
coof
Logan Gomez
>you're never going to get that same experience again and embrace new ideas. Tell that to Vince and Bryan.
It should be focused on both of their tight assholes And their feet
Lincoln Williams
LOL PLEEB ALERT
Jace Sanchez
in chicken man restaurant
Eli James
If that were true he wouldn’t have been allowed to be a lawyer. No major law firm would allow someone as mentally ill as Chuck appears to be to argue in cases over millions of dollars, and no client with millions of dollars to play for would want a mentally ill lawyer. Yet Chuck returns to law. So either Chuck is retarded or every other character is, and any time a plot requires characters to be stupid to work is bad writing.
Juan Anderson
They forgot to light it.
Wyatt Sanders
>Yet Chuck returns to law He attempts to make his return, Jimmy fucks him over, his illness gets worse again as a result and Howard buys him out of the firm. He never reaches the point where he is actually arguing a case for a client
Aiden Long
more like Kim's soles
Kayden Fisher
Your mom’s pants.
Kevin Gray
I'm gonna have this stupid fucking song stuck in my head all week long, fuck you.
Parker Phillips
>He attempts to make his return Yeah that's the problem. The "mentally ill" character is taken seriously, and not like a down syndrome kid for the rest of his life. No American law office would want this anywhere near a practice with his name on it. It's a completely implausible plot and it relies on you accepting that primary characters are stupid.
