Admit that it was kino

>it's a theme park movie, a popcorn flick for kids
yes, and (You) just wrote a whole blog post about it!

This is tied with tossing aside his lightsaber in Jedi as the most kino thing Luke ever did. I'm not sure about Luke pulling a weapon on his sleeping nephew either, but it was all worth it for this redemption moment.

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Actually not me but I'm gonna read it anyway. Bet there's salt in there, TLJ is the ultimate pleb filter.

>This is tied with tossing aside his lightsaber in Jedi as the most kino thing Luke ever did. I'm not sure about Luke pulling a weapon on his sleeping nephew either, but it was all worth it for this redemption moment.
It was so retarded. Kylo knew that none of the laser shots him, so what purpose did he think coming down to Luke and fighting him would even serve? How could he not tell that it was an illusion? It's so fucking stupid.

Nobody shilled for TROS tho

except it was a skype call and thus completely worthless as he didnt face down anyone. He was sitting on a rock with some porgs. Try again you retard

>This is the most kino thing Luke ever did
>he didn't actually do it

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Everyone, the audience the Resistance, and FO expected Luke to be invincible. He was afraid because he knew he wasn't, and he'd let them down. Rather than become some DBZ character, he used hit wits to be the hero they needed, the hero he thought he couldn't be.Tricking your enemy into thinking you're invincible is a cooler concept than actually being invincible.

>Seriously. Rian Johnson made the most interesting, thought provoking
no

>Imagine liking anything of the Nu-Trilogy in any possible way

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I hope you know that the DBZ line gives you away every single time.
Consider changing it. Maybe go with Neo next time

>It takes a stale franchise that's stuck in the past
That's because Lucas ended the fucking story with ROTS. Anything Disney (or anyone for that matter) came up with was bound to feel like needless fan fiction.

>and deftly weaves this meta aspect into the narrative
Going meta signifies a lack of creativity. The Terminator movies have been doing it since part 3, the Bond movies did it with Skyfall and Spectre, and it never works.

>It uses character to connect with the audience; if you're a long term fan, then you are Rey arriving on the island, shocked to see a legendary figure was not all he cracked up to be.
Oh fuck off, Rian and KK didn't do that for storytelling purposes, as TLJ has nothing resembling a story, they did it because they wanted their character to replace Luke. It follows the same narrative as every other revived franchise recently from Ghostbusters to Picard: bringing back the beloved White character to kill him off and replace him with women and nonwhites.

>If you're a kid, you're going to learn along with Rey that it's ok to make mistakes,
lol what mistakes did Rey ever make? She defeated the main villain of Nuwars in the first fucking movie. What does she learn in TLJ? What skills does she gain from being with Luke? What wisdom? What price does she ever pay? Luke had an arc in the OT because he was a character. So did Anakin in the PT. Rey has no arc because she's not a character, she's an action figure self-insert of KK.

>So I don't wanna hear shit about 'muh plot holes and contrivances'. It's a theme park movie, a popcorn flick for kids.
Yet you felt the need to make a thread defending this plotless mess which was made by an evil corporation which intentionally set out to vandalize a beloved franchise out of sheer maliciousness.

>That's because Lucas ended the fucking story with ROTJ.
ftfy

>you all deserve TROS for shitting on it.
I think this is the most important point you can possibly make: TLJ hate is what caused ROS. It was made for those fanboy crybabies. They got what they asked for, and, yes, they deserve it.

>tells you not to trust it.
That's what, among others, Hitchcock films do. Now, you can of course hate them for "insulting" you like that. Or you can accept that it may be a good thing that they are not predictable, that they don't give you the same shit you've already seen a thousand times.

This movie wouldn't have 2+ hour essays pointing out all its flaws if it was good.

Star Wars is a product, you watch it because you want Lightsabers, Space Westerns and Space Dogfights with some inspiring hero's journey fluff flown in.

Nobody complains about getting "the same thing" in an established name, they complain when something new is just copying something else better.
Anyone saying a massively successful property needs to abandon the things people like about it are delusional from both an economical and artistic standpoint, just downright clueless.

So, what's your point? That it should have been "a product" and Rian Johnson is at fault for acutally making a ... film? Like Hitchcock did? Like George Lucas did in 1977?

>Anyone saying a massively successful property needs to abandon the things people like about it
No one is saying that. If you want something to be successful, sure, give your audience the same shit they are used to. But if you want to do more than that, if you want to preserve your artisitc integrity, you have to do something different.
And you know who else did something different? George Lucas in 1980. And then in 1997. People might have hated him for it, but at least he had integrity.

It’s no surprise that Game of Thrones, Star Wars, Terminator, Lord of the Rings, The Witcher, Disney classics(reboots) and Capeshit went to full shit in the same decade (counting Lotr because the rights to the series were already given before 2020)

The age of men is ending, and corona is its herald

>It's a bad movie that tells you not to trust it
More like it strongly suggests that it will go right, but also leaves clues that it will go left, so that on the 2nd viewing you have something else to appreciate after the initial surprise is gone.

>thought provoking Star Wars
Eh?

>allow the franchise to grow and remain fresh
Not really, it was just back and forth Rey-Kylo spacetime arguing like 10 year olds and having sexual tention like 16 year olds instead of scting like mature adults.

>They're just meant to be fun and make money.
Yeah, here you're partislly right. While they were not fun to watch, they sure made tons of money.
>It uses character to connect with the audience; if you're a long term fan, then you are Rey arriving on the island
Nope, because thst is not how long term fans remember Luke, nor where they left him.

>and you all deserve TROS for shitting on it.
TROS was pretty much same shit if not worse.

>But if you want to do more than that, if you want to preserve your artisitc integrity, you have to do something different.

Correct, you make something new.

What you don't do is take something that exists and ruin it, which is what has happened serially for nearly ever single beloved franchise in the last 4 years.

Reminder all nu wars is faggot shit and you should kill yourself.

>Not really, it was just back and forth Rey-Kylo spacetime arguing like 10 year olds and having sexual tention like 16 year olds instead of scting like mature adults.

Kylo is a young, attractive, extremely powerful force user who has had 2 masters, both of them have expected great things of him because of his family. history He decides to reject both of them and be his own person in spite of his family.

Rey is a young, attractive, extremely powerful force user who feels she has no definition outside of her family, and desperately seeks validation from other familial figures as per Maz Kanata's advice in TFA. After being let down by he heroes and learning her parents were no-one, she realises she can be her own person regardless of her family.

Snoke literally forced them together to try and break her, They see inside each others minds, fight together and save each others lives.

And you don't understand why they might bond?

>What you don't do is take something that exists and ruin it
That's what George Lucas has been doing to this franchise for 40 years now. Starting with TESB, if certain critics back then are to be believed.

I know you don't want to hear it, but Star Wars has always been about changing up things. Sometimes massively. Rian Johnson did what was in the spirit of Star Wars and took it somewhere it hadn't been before. And what did Lucas think about the result? He found it "wonderfully made".
JJ Abrams not only stagnated, but took Star Wars back to where it was four decades ago. Lucas did not like it at all and said that TFA lacked originality.
That should tell you enough about what this franchise was intended to be, and who it was who failed understanding that.

>young, attractive, extremely powerful
all false. gyno goblin was a mistake.

how about you just admit it was shit and we can stop having these threads.

dangerously based

cringe and bluepilled

OP is unironically right. Of the three sequels, TLJ is by far the most interesting and worth watching.

It still has horrendous issues that make me cringe harder than the other two, which are more boring and stupid. But it actually makes me feel a human emotion.

It's not about why they might bond. This much is obvious and doesn't need explanation, user. It's about why do they act like children when they find out that they can communicate through space and time. Yes, ok Rey grew up alone and pretty much in isolation, didn't have much contact or normal relationships with people to know necessarily how to act in certain situations. Problem is with Kylo/Ben. A 29 year old man who despite being hurt a lot throughout his life, has to know how to act atleast a bit more mature instead of constantly whining and throwing tantrums.

It was garbage. Subversion is seriously overrated, all you have to do is something the audience doesn't expect which isn't inherently good or impressive. Rian is a spiteful beta male shitting over star wars because he knows he can't make a genuine heartfelt story and thus defaults to the only thing he knows, destruction.

>Problem is with Kylo/Ben. A 29 year old man who despite being hurt a lot throughout his life, has to know how to act atleast a bit more mature instead of constantly whining and throwing tantrums.
That's literally his character though. A whiny teenager in an adult man's body. That's something TFA established about him. And it's not that uncommon even in the real world. There are people his age who are exactly like that, sad as it may be.

Literally a nigger.

Why is it that dummies who like TLJ can never ever explain what it is about the movie that makes it good?
It's always these weird tangential side effects and happenstance occurences resulting from the movie that somehow makes it good but not the movie itself.

>gets back to the heart of why people loved the OT
Ha! TLJ has no sense of adventure, no sense of time, no sense of wonder, no heart and no soul. It builds towards nothing and then actually delivers nothing... unlike the constant head-fakes throughout the film would suggest (did he subvert me there too?).

Everything Rian Johnson has written has been amateur hour, I can only assume he supplies Hollywood with fresh victims from somewhere in order to get work.

Fair enough. It's fascinating though how he's forgiven for acting like a man child, yet Anakin who was 6-7 years younger than him and who's been through so much worse than him, has often been ridiculed.

I mean I can write a book about what I loved about the film but you're gonna sperg out and call me a Disney shill and refuse to actually engage with any of the points presented and instead nitpick about hyperspace physics, cry about feminism and say MUH LUKE SKYWALKER WOULD NEVER EVER DO THAT

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The difference is that the sequel trilogy portrays his manchild ways as kinda pathetic and pitiful, and the tantrums taper off as the character matures

When Anakin acts like a spoiled brat you're supposed to think he's such a heroic and noble soul who just cares too much

Also Adam Driver is a much better acrot, and when the script fails him, he can fall back on his non visual acting. The scene where he offers Rey his hand, or the fear in his eyes when he sees Luke survived the barrage. These moments make the character and allow us to actually see him as a human, as opposed to someone reading from a page about how much he hates sand.

Here's the problem. Different people see Anakin in different ways. He wasn't necessarily meant to be heroic and noble as everyone already knew what his fate was going to be (or maybe people imagined him as such as they were comparing him to his dark version of Darth Vader). He's portrayed as human as possible with all humab weaknesses as it should be. Perhaps the misconception comes from the fact that he aas the Chose One. And everyone though he should be brilliant, never making mistakes. This way his fall to the dark side would be even more epic and more of a turning point, but alas that was not the case.
He was weak mentally because of the fact that the little he had in his life was taken away from him all the time. He had no power over that, that's why he was frustrated and wanted more power. A 9- year old child thrusted into the unknown galaxy alone. He was also arrogant because he knew they considered him the Chosen One.
Ben on the other hand never really lost anything in his life. He's always had it all, but it wasn't what he wanted or whatevee. His struggle is nothing compared to Anakin's. He had both his parents, Luke and Chewie. True Han and Leia weren't always around, but he isn't shown as someone who really tried to reach for them and be with his family. Surely if he wanted to he could've found the way back home.

Hayden Christensen did amazing job with non-verbal acting. Was actually better than when he was speaking. Driver's acting is good, but sometimes is a bit cringe.

The fact that you immediately went to the 'hurr durr you gon call me disney shill' defense is an admission that you are a Disney shill, dum-dum.
Congratulations on outing yourself like the stupid ass you are.

>The scene where he offers Rey his hand, or the fear in his eyes when he sees Luke survived the barrage.
Hmm. Did't really see that much of brilliant acting, sorry but that's honest opinion. In the first case with Rey and the had it felt a bit akward him shouting and trying to finally be manly.
The second time with Luke he didn't seem very scared or fearfull, more like angery.

Maybe you just have autism user

Adam Driver is the best actor of our age and has been nominated for an Oscar 2 years in a row

What's with all the Rian Johnson shill threads?

If you say so..

Disney investing more into their Internet defense force and online shill force now that Corona-chan has halted production of their movies.

t. clearly a disgruntled movie worker.
probably rian himself.

TLJ is to all Star Wars movies what Tranks FF is to all superhero movies

the absolute worst

Don't know if that other user has autism or not, but Driver's acting is cringe as fuck, man. Might be good for theatre, but film - meh. Every time he speaks it's like reciting it from a peace of paper. It's so much acting that you can actually see through it. The only reason he seemed good in SW was cause everybody else sucked.

>is an admission that you are a Disney shill
And you just proved his point.

TLJ was the only nu-Wars movie made by and for people with an IQ above 80 so of course consumers hated it

it was thrash.

This tone could've worked if the first one setted it up. I'm seriously mad about the knights of ren plotline being thrown out and actual decent action scenes.

I don’t think people hated TLJ bc it didn’t present interesting ideas, but because it half assed it and also had inconsistent pacing and story structure

And because nothing really happened in those 2-3 hrs

Yeah it was kinda unfortunate how the main storylines didn’t intersect organically

Great post