Why's the scifi genre so stale?

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hard scifi is dead instead its
>muh aliens
>muh AI

Moon was the last great sci-fi

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do they know we know this?

i want to see a movie where the ai doesn't gain sentience and rebel against it's creators

Rendezvous with Rama still hasn't been made

Can DUNE (2020) save sci-fi?

Why hasn't anyone done alien ai?

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films used to be more creative when the budget wasn't over a billion dollars

yes and they laugh all the way to the bank just thinking about it

a Culture series of movies would be kino tho

In film? The technology has gotten to the stage where if it doesn't look like they spent a hundred million dollars just on CGI it's going to comparatively look like crap. This makes the films expensive and jews are risk-averse when it comes to money, so they take the safe bet.

And people have demonstrated over and over again that they're not interested in profundity, they just want to see cool shit that explodes.

only if it's Jodorowsky's version

I would argue that modern scifi has too much of an obsession with being grounded in realism and practicality. Scifi is at its most entertaining when embracing the weird and idealistic, like Flash Gordon or the 80s-90s Star Wars EU.

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probably not but it'll be a good science fiction movie all the same

Because plebs dont want thoughtful sci fi, they want spectacle and space fantasy.

>dude what if there was a big weird tube
how can our strong female lead be fighting the odds, what are the dramatic BRRRM moments I can put in my trailer, I can't make a movie out of this

Culture is gay

When fanbases themselves are more bizarre and outlandish than the medium itself, perhaps it has run its course.

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What else is there to say about it?
>1950s - 1960s
Total optimism, everything will be dank
>1970s - 1990s
Total nihilism, future will be a dystopia
>2000s
Future will be like now, just will more tech. Same social problems, etc

So literally any movie set in the present then? Or movie set in the feature where the premise isn't robot/AI uprising.

...

Hollywood is full of nepotistic tribals who won't fund a scifi unless it makes a billion dollars. Everything has to have a shitload of explosions and loud noises for the low-IQ crowd and the chinks. Hard scifi is still made, but is always low budget indie shit.

I can't name a single scifi in the past 20 years that was grounded in reality. Star Trek, Star Wars, all that Marvel shit, and even Nolan's Interstellar all relied on space magic.

film will legitimately never be an art form again

>executive producer: brian herbert
I'd start tempering those expectations now my dude.

maybe it'll be fun

I wish Battlestar had been given a clean ending and now drawn out into a cash grabbing circle jerk.

This.
>MACHINES KILLED MAH BAY BAY
>Time to murder hundreds of billions of other humans including babies with high-yield nuclear devices dropped from orbit by space-folding kamikaze pilots that are never mentioned again ever

>there will NEVER be a kinographical adaptation of Revelation Space

feels bad bros

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Id rather see Baxter's manifold trilogy complete with giving the cro magnon man a hand job.

>Like you have to be at least a little bit autistic to like sci-fi
Why?

Hyperion series when?

I love Reynolds but the ending of Revelation Space is way out of whack
>pan-dimensional shadowcreatures living in a suit angle comes out of nowhere
>massive universe-shattering greenification makes literally no sense unless you happen to have read a specific short story from a different book

>unless you happen to have read a specific short story from a different book
(and even then it's completely unrelated to the main story of the three books you just read)

People ripping off videogames and recycling tropes/aesthetics.

Based, Manifold Space is one of my favorite books.

I think it just requires a level of imagination and wonder and interest in abstract concepts that the average normie just isn't capable of or else doesn't find particularly appealing.

I think sci-fi is a genre for people who REALLY, REALLY, REALLY like to think . . . and normies are people who only think when they have to and really don't like it.

I think science fiction and fantasy make the reader (or viewer) consider ideas and concepts that a normie just doesn't really care about, because they only care about how things are and what's right in front of them, not what life would have been like 500 years ago if dragons and wizards existed.

I think people who enjoy sci-fi like to read a story and then keep living in the imagined world, imagine themselves interacting with those characters or having to solve the same dilemmas. Like most of the enjoyment for them is what happens in their own head long after they've finished reading the book.

I don't think normies really like to live in their own head like that, they don't get anything else out of a story than what's in the story itself.

That's my perspective as someone who is extremely autistic.

>Like you have to be at least a little bit autistic to like sci-fi

Then explain why so many "normies" like star wars you dumb retard

Same problem in almost every genre. No one's willing to take any risks.

GIANT ROCKET DILDOS IN SPAAACEEEE

Sci-fi especially most contemporary series there is a hard schism between "hard" science fiction and science "fantasy". Both sides have a loud and obnoxious base that gatekeeps if it doesnt fit what they define as science fiction.

I think when it comes to films science "fantasy" works better since you dont necessarily have to explain how certain concepts would or could work and can focus more on character development and a narrative. The problem is its just essentially film with a space as a backdrop and and barely has anything to do with the narrative itself. Hard science fiction can be the opposite where sometimes it gets caught up too much in explanation which the narrative and development can suffer in.

The challenge is trying to get something thats a good medium between the two. That runs into the problem of the fanbase where one thinks its hurr too boring or hurr not scientifically plausible.

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Because they are at least a little bit autistic, you rude little boy.

It's normie-tier to guys like you and me, but it's fairly autistic by normie standards. It's very normie-friendly, that's why it's the biggest commercial success by a large margin. Main reason for this is probably that all three of the main characters, Luke, Han, and Leia, are basically normies.

But just because a lot of normies like it doesn't mean that the more autistic people don't like it even more and get way more out of it.

It was the first sci-fi film to have both really good special effects and a simple adventure story plot. It's as normie-friendly as it gets. But we all know that some fans get WAY, WAY, WAY more into it. Because they're way more autistic.

Asimov.

Lead character of all the sequels is female.

Because we arrived at the future, and while it's sure as hell dystopic, it's not aesthetic or interesting.

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Gattaca was only just over 20 years ago. Moon? Ex Machina?

Because SW isn't really sci-fi, duh.

This and the saddest part is, if there was the political will to empower organizations to do so, we could've been on the moon permanently for almost a half century and probably started on mars a lot sooner.
But... You know.

> Consumerism and economic cancerous growths plague society

Star Wars was a bad influence to the genre.

I want to see a movie where we make first contact and they didn't make it all the way over here to fuck with us.

Well, producers think we just want dumb action sci-fi now. We get the occasional science-heavy work every now and then, but the genre is on the outs. At least in western fiction. Thank god for the Japanese.

watch the first half of arrival

>not aesthetic

Sad but true.

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on that note, is there any good foreign scifi we should check out?

>en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendezvous_with_Rama
It hurts, but by now I think it wouldn't work anyway. Especially since it was pretty ahead of its time concerning crew diversity and in current year they'd ramp it up to insufferable levels.

oblivion

that was such a good book shame about the sequels
i did hear that Morgan Freeman wanted to direct/produce a movie adaptation but it never took off for some reason

It's insane how much better they are at fantasy and sci-fi. They're even better at adapting western fantasy. Isn't lotr going pub domain at some point? Just imagine what could be done with it...

Real answer:
>Most (but not all, granted) science fiction requires elaborate sets/props/effects. A spaceship, an alien planet, a futuristic city.
>These sets/props/effects are expensive and time consuming to make.
>Thus the film needs to make a lot of money to make a profit.
>Thus the producers of the film feel that the original vision needs to be altered or changed somehow to "better capture a wider audience".
>This results in many good elements being ruined or pushed to the side lines. "More action", "an unnecessary side character for the 'urban market'" (which is so token that they end up insulting the very people the character was meant to attract), forced romance at the end for no reason, all gore and bad language must be cut for PG-13 rating, utterly confused marketing campaign that can't decide if the movie is for teens or adults, etc.
>End result is the film doesn't make back its budget, and the failure is blamed on the sci-fi genre itself.

This very same cycle happened to historical epics and traditionally animated films. They are seen as way too expensive up front, risky due to past failures, and difficult to sell to large audiences. But the problem is never the genre, it's the morons behind the scenes that fuck everything up with their greedy bullshit.

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sci-fi horror ruined the sci-fi genre.

Alien was the beginning of the end