Venture bros

>started watching this at the recommendation of multiple anons
>Slow start but it's honestly fucking amazing
>the more I watch the more I realize Rick and Morty stole literally everything from venture brothers in every conceivable way
>What passes for a 2 minute gag in VB is dragged on in Rick and Morty for an entire episode because they are hacks who can only play the "dumb family gets ahold of alike tech and hijinx ensue"

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What episode are you in right now?

Don't rush through it. They had a long wait between seasons before they went to hand drawn, somewhere around 4 if I remember, and it only got longer after that.

>slow start
2 minutes into the first episode i knew i was in for chad Brock kino

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Then why did turn into such poorly written unfunny shit?

Venture Bros literally sets a standard for how Western adult animation should be, but nothing can really match it. It's made by two guys who put passion and love into it. Doc Hammer and Jackson Publick are creative geniuses.

Rick and Morty is written for basedboys and just tries to capitalize on being loud and obnoxious and features shitty meme humor. Some of the earlier episodes were pretty good but since women started writing the show the humor is so forced.
Rick and Morty tries to act like it's more than a sitcom with things like worldbuilding but it just pales in comparison to The Venture Bros.

>Rick and Morty stole literally everything from venture brothers in every conceivable way
Stop, user. The lead writer of R&M was writing Community at the time that Venture Bros was gaining steam, and those are two of the only shows with strong character work and well executed year long character arcs and callback jokes. Just because you don't consume a lot of work with strong writing doesn't mean all good writing is stolen, it just means you didn't read a lot of fiction growing up.
That said, VB>>>R&M

Must have seen something else. There are dips but still the best animated adult dramedy ever made

I refuse to watch past Operation Prom

Sphyinx rises

THATS WHAT I THOUGHT. I could watch Brock forever, he's so fucking cool.

I completely agree.

Between evil scientists, actual magic, GI.JO agents, James bond, super heroes, and campy family drama; this just feels like an Archer+Rick and Morty+spaceghost coast to coast and ATHF fusion with all their individual elements but made into a surprisingly cohesive, and exceptionally captivating series.

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the last two season try too hard with their story but overall this show is one of the best adult animation cartoons

I don't LIKE community you bozo

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Why?? I just finished that, what happens

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literally why

First episode filtered me. I didn't say I watched it. Should I tho

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It's a soft finale since they didn't know if they were getting renewed. Everything after is great but it takes a while to get back to PROM levels

Escape To The House Of Mummies Part 2 is one of the crowning achievements of television

>judging a show based on its pilot
Seriously though, if you like VB you will like Community, it's a far better written show than Rick and Morty, and I think earns more genuine lols. Give it 6 eps then bail if your not feeling it, but know that it doesn't get into the genre parody stuff that VB does till season 2

You can tell the women dominate the writing room when they get to new York
The plotlines just become who's dating who, and how X feels about Y and Z
Its just bad

Actually one of the best points to stop watching.

I hooked my entire friend group on the show by throwing that episode on at the tail end of a party

>writing room

Maybe if Hammer's a schizo

A great example that you can make a great episode/story/plot without presenting the entire thing within the episode.

brock is fucking based

this is true, but its so good even with the drop in quality its still kino

They also had a scheduling snafu with the special and had a reduced season they weren't planning that threw their pacing off some.

This is stupid

Early brock is so win. Running over the mexicans, tearing through butterflies, smashing molotov cocktease.

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All time great Bowie joke

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>women being involved in the show at all
You have no clue what your fucking talking about

Community was only good for 2 years.

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The lead up to Operation Prom is kino but the season immediately following is worthy imo.

The first NY season was forgettable and I stopped watching the second after the Jonas Venture episodes.

Like Brock getting pegged?

Ow i keep cutting my tongue on the slit in the mask

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This is the moment the show stops making sense
Or rather, the moment Rusty's plotline stops making sense.
the entire series to this point is Rusty living in other people's shadows. First his father, then later his "brother". When he acts, it's almost always motivated by getting out from under their shadows. When you see him talk with JJ in any scene that's the dynamic. This is especially something harped upon, by the episode where JJ builds a museum on spider skull island, the episode where he gets college students to build the ray shield generator, and the episode where he tries to fool the 5 star general. Once Doc arrives in New York, he has all the success he wants, nobody to live under the shadow of (nobody talks about his dad anymore, he didn't respect JJ), and he doesn't care that he didn't earn that victory himself. His story is finished.

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S1, S2 and S3 were kino of the highest order, S4 had its ups and downs. Hated most of the character changes in S5 but the writing was still very good.

Its maddening!

Nothing wrong with that. The New York stuff is well written but practically a spin off.

>Between evil scientists, actual magic, GI.JO agents, James bond, super heroes, and campy family drama; this just feels like an Archer+Rick and Morty+spaceghost coast to coast and ATHF fusion with all their individual elements but made into a surprisingly cohesive, and exceptionally captivating series.

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You forgot the biggest influence, a show the creators worked on and the creator of it worked on Venture Bros
The Tick

I recently started re-binging this myself as I'm unemployed for a few months now. Trying to redpill a few of my friends on it.
Honestly one of the all time great shows.

By the time it became "The Concept Episode Show" I was done with it. Season 3 turned the show into a shitty cartoon not entirely unlike R&M.

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>triggered

>who's dating who
there is only 1 dating plot

>Once Doc arrives in New York, he has all the success he wants
And he's pissing it all away, he's going to run the company into the ground and lose the money

Dont forget that RandM uses that lefty humour of SUDDEN GORY VIOLENCE LMAO

>hand drawn
wow impressive, never knew this

>The lead writer of R&M was writing Community at the time that Venture Bros was gaining steam, and those are two of the only shows with strong character work and well executed year long character arcs and callback jokes.
what a thoroughly söy opinion, community (and obviously rick and morty too) is garbage for room temp iq normies, get over yourself

Living in other people's shadows is key to the proverbial venture brothers as well, but they don't handle it well
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This scene isn't interesting. It has some jokes, but doesn't pack the same punch as earlier seasons. There's not a lot going on

The monarch/blue morpho plotline is interesting, but it's the monarch out of his element. In the pilot, the monarch is a mirror to Rusty. A super scientist Vs a super villain. The evil organization that allows scenes like this That fans love.
When you rob the monarch of that, he doesn't work as well. He says it in show as well. He raises an army to kick that guys ass. Arching venture makes monarch want to build a machine that kicks ventures ass. Monarch as a guy who creates a paramilitary organization because he hates some guy he went to college with is interesting. Monarch as a guy who lives in a shitty house in New York, and talks with his fat friend into star wars about how much he hates that guy is not.

Anyways, I gotta sleep. Its been real Yas Forums

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Hank's entire plot is who he's dating.
Monarch's story is about his relationship
That one lady who breaks into that parking lot to steal a van is about a relationship
Red skull is about how his marriage and daughter gave him stability.

But the point is that so long as he hasn't, those episodes don't work.

I think they tried to substitute Rusty's inferiority complex with the Monarch's identity crisis (lost money, needs to rebuild his organization and reputation in the Guild from scratch with 21, Wife is more powerful and successful than he is and the tables have shifted completely in ever sector for him).
That said the Monarch's fate probably foreshadows this as an inevitable future for Rusty Venture.
I did like the Jonas Venture episodes, even if they went all in with his lore change (from an aloof, malignantly negligent, and irresponsible father to an outright sociopath and far more evil than any of the Guild's villains).
The brothers drag on though, and it seems like the Bat returning is them scrambling back knowing they have nothing new to write for them anymore.

>Monarch's story is about his relationship
Yeah, that's usually the case for him. His stories are always either about his relationship with Venture or his wife.

>That one lady who breaks into that parking lot to steal a van is about a relationship
>Red skull is about how his marriage and daughter gave him stability.
C'mon, you're grasping at straws here. Battleaxe was just a plotpoint for like half an episode that served to get Monarch and Mrs. The Monarch in the same location. And it wasn't a dating plot, it was a plot about losing a loved one. Red Skull's family was merely a part of his point which was separating personal life from villainy. And even that was, again, like less than half an episode. Plus the emphasis was more on his daughter than his wife. A story about the stability of a family life is not a dating plot.

Jonas Venture has always been a hard character to write.
I think the episode with M.O.T.H.E.R. rode the line well. Jonas creates an underground nuclear shelter managed by an AI. Jonas is ammoral and thinks that people will have trouble living in a nuclear dystopia so he adds happy gas to the fallout shelter, AI goes crazy, and he escaped with his team, forgetting about the children he left behind. He's negligent and irresponsibility, but not evil.

I legitimately think they forgot about how in operation prom they heavily imply that Jonas recorded 18 years of learning bed lessons for his son, that rusty re-used. A man who homeschools his son from birth is a man who cares about his son.

The New York episodes are important because it's illustrating the differences between the Monarch and Rusty. When Rusty has seemingly everything, he's still not content - he still gets no women, he still can't live up to his father, and his brother is the only reason he's even afloat. The Monarch, on the other hand, finds himself lost and without purpose, until he realized that he can arch Venture again - and it drives him. With the hints strewn about that Rusty and the Monarch are brothers, it stands to reason to show how the lives of the Venture Bros, the children of Jonas Venture Senior, and their offspring, are affected by loss, existentialism, and a world of bureaucracy.

I get where they're going with "the new venture brothers", but Rusty's moral bankruptcy means that him being unsatisfied with money that he didn't earn doesn't fit the character. Rusty being unable to get ladies as a billionaire also makes no sense.
Rusty has too much of a hedonist streak for him to be unsatisfied with the situation

Such a based show

It's maybe the best episode of the series?

>since women started writing the show
Oops, gave yourself away. Better luck next time.

>consume
Anyone who uses this word instead of "watch" or "read" should be killed in front of their loved ones.

I think in general Rusty is relatively happy at this time, but hedonism only hides the things that are truly broken at the core of your being. Rusty has a company where he works with his friends doing funny super science stuff and all the money he could want, but it doesn't repair his overbearing father, absent mother, or a childhood of constant mortal peril. They're showing what actually happens to a hedonist when he gets everything - the real issues can only be pushed down so deep.

>Seriously though, if you like VB you will like Community,
Don't tell people what they'll like you reddit nonce, I'll tear your hole away.

It starts to show its cracks later in season 2 and pretty early in season 3 is when I give up on it whenever I rewatch it

Imagine being this invested in television. Eat feces.

>take at least three hours out of your day to humor me before your say im wrong
do you know anything about bargaining nigger?

Only wagecucks think hedonism is a coping mechanism. Hedonism is just about pleasure. "Wouldn't it be awful goy

>They're showing what actually happens to a hedonist when he gets everything
I agree with that's what they're doing
That's just not the show I want to watch. That dilemma isn't interesting to me.