Was he ever stronger than Goku? Or always lagged behind?

these are all correct but can't vouch for anything about Super

Heh, buddy...I suggest you watch what you say around me before you get hurt got it?

I'd say when he fights goku at the beginning of the buu saga as well

He was actually Stronger than Goku for most of the series. Goku only permanently surpassed him after coming out of the HBTC. On Namek they were equal, with Goku only surpassing him with the SSJ form

This is now my headcanon

Goku was hiding SSJ3, so I don't count it.

Definitely not. Goku was already capable of going SS3 at that point.

True that. He's always got that trump card

I'm sure there are a ton of manlets stronger than me, but it doesn't bother me cuz I can always lift weights and get stronger but they can never get taller.
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He was stronger than Goku while he was running around Namek but before Goku did 100g training.

he's stronger than kekhan thats what matters

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>On Namek they were equal
vegeta got btfo by recoome then goku whomped recoome instantly

The legendary sissy saiyan.

Yeah I forgot to mention that. When Goku first arrived on Namek he was stronger, after Vegeta got his Zenkai boost Vegeta was stronger, Goku after getting his Zenkai was stronger, and then Vegeta after getting his second Zenkai made them equal again

vegeta was stronger than goku for a short time, after training with whis

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He's stronger when they first meet but Goku pulls the win out of his ass.

He's stronger on Namek before Goku shows up. He's probably stronger for a little bit as Majin Vegita. He's stronger while fighting Beerus before Goku turns SSG and then maybe once during the tournament arc. That's about it though, Goku is regularly stronger than him.

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No gatekeeping weebs with inferiority complex

In the grand scheme of things, Vegeta is Salieri and Goku is Mozart. He'll always have to work extra hard to achieve what Goku naturally has. He's genetically built to always be second best.

Realistically, it'd have something to do with their size. Goku is much taller, weighs more and therefore is able to generate more power with the same tools. But it mainly has to do with the fact that Vegeta just isn't the protagonist.

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He was stronger at first then fell behind Goku after his 100g training. Then got multiple zenkais and shot to 2.5mil and lost to Frieza. Goku first showing up to fight Frieza was at base 3mil but also had KaioKen allowing him to compete for awhile. Then goku got 50x multiplier with Super Saiyan.

Fast forward to Android saga and after Vegeta kicks Android 19s ass Piccolo says he thinks SS Veg has likely surpassed Goku though he cant say for sure since Goku was suffering from the heart virus. Goku then surpasses him in the hyperbolic time chamber.

Gokus dead and gets the benefit of training with a body that never gets tired in the afterlife. Even then he is still just barely stronger as SS2 then Vegeta.

Why do people like to forget that he wiped the floor with Goku on their first fight?

>He'll always have to work extra hard to achieve what Goku naturally has.
Vegeta is the gifted one retard, Goku just gets the better handouts (otherworldly training, KK, SKW) and still has never bested Geets in a fight.

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That's simply not true, Vegeta was the one from noble birth who was always stupidly strong.
Goku was in the grand scheme of things weak as fuck during Dragon Ball and only got so powerful due to all the zenkai boosts he got during his life.
It is safe to assume that Vegeta rarely had to break a sweat in his life prior to meeting Goku

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Vegeta was spoonfed his entire life, raised under the notion that he was "the great prince" was Goku was tossed aside due to being supposedly low-level. The fact that he then surpassed Vegita without access to his tools or training makes HIM the gifted one, as he A) had to overcome a bigger mountain of different to compare to Vegeta (from low level to high level, while Vegeta was born at high level) and B) had to go even further than that to surpass him, which culminates in Vegeta admitting, during the fight against Buu, that Goku is #1. He got all the transformations first, and he was smart enough to realize that the "Ascended Saiyan" or "Super Vegeta" form, which he achieves quickly in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, was not true SSJ2 and a waste of time, while Vegeta uses it against Cell and gets pummeled.

Literally the entire point of the show is that Goku is dumb as bricks but has a natural instinct for martial arts that makes him better than everyone else.

First time they met.

After 3 years of training and he fought android 19 who had just beat goku.

After 1 year of training in the room of spirit and time.

youtube.com/watch?v=tuvSwb5KM6Q

tbf during android 19 wasnt he in the begining processes of some sort of super aids?

Majin Vegeta was stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

>he fact that he then surpassed Vegita without access to his tools or training
Vegeta was born with the same power level that he has when he fights Goku for the first time

Under Freiza's rule, Vegeta was not allowed to train. He's lucky he was allowed to keep the tail that allowed him to transform into a guy with a power level at 180,000

Goku was having a heart attack during his fight with 19, but he'd been training with Piccolo the entire time, so Piccolo has a good idea of his full strength - even so, Piccolo thinks Vegeta is stronger

Vegeta was naturally gifted.

Goku was gifted with amazing teachers.

Vegeta constantly has to grind himself to get stronger.

Goku has a reservoir of knowledge from old masters to pull upon.

Only recently in Super did Vegeta start actually seeking masters to further his training and since the. his base strength has been greater than Gokus and hes also learning techniques to help level the playing field with Goku.

Vegeta is algerian

Piccolo said Vegeta was stronger at that point

Generally speaking, if Piccolo, Roshi, Goku, or Krillin say "X is stronger than Y" it's true

lol

Not true. Majin Vegeta got absolutely wrecked by Boo and Goku later revealed that he probably could have beaten Boo in SSJ3 given enough time.

checked

He could have beaten Fat Buu

t. Vegeta

*is stronger in your path*

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>raised under the notion that he was "the great prince" was Goku was tossed aside due to being supposedly low-level
Goku was low level, Geets never trained a day in his life prior to coming to Earth and was still over twice as powerful as Goku who just had the equivalent of several thousands of years of training in the otherworld.

>The fact that he then surpassed Vegita without access to his tools
What are you talking about, Goku is only relevant in the first place because he received Super Kami Water as a kid which gave him passive Oozaru power. He's handed his techniques from others including literal gods, meanwhile Vegeta came up with Galick Gun on his own which is straight better than Kamehameha and then improved on it further.

>Goku is #1
Despite the fact Goku has never beaten Vegeta in combat, has no chance against Buu and is dramatically weaker than Gohan.

>He got all the transformations first
They got SS2 at the same time. Now factor in Goku did that in the world of the dead while Geets was still in the world of the living while watching both of their kids and that should tell you who's the better fighter.

>while Vegeta uses it against Cell and gets pummeled.
So Goku is better for being a quitter.

>Literally the entire point of the show
>show
Ask me how I know you're retarded.

>is that Goku is dumb as bricks but has a natural instinct for martial arts that makes him better than everyone else.
Buu is the most dangerous by a huge margin while Gohan is the strongest unfused entity outside maybe Grand Supreme Kai. Vegeta has both more skill and potential than Carrot.

>IESLB
Gentlemen...

No, he wasn't

That said, Vegeta was probably durable enough to withstand SSJ3 Goku for long enough that Goku would run out of stamina in the form - then when Goku was out of energy, Vegeta would probably have JUST enough power to secure the win

It's irrelevant anyway because Vegeta still won that fight. Deception is a completely valid part of martial arts, Goku should know that.
>b-but he didn't use technique X so he would have won!
Yes, and I'd win a fight against Mike Tyson if, right at the start, I shot him in the fucking head. If I don't do that, I'd certainly lose. Goku not using SSJ3 is his own fucking fault, it doesn't make Vegeta's win less valid.

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Before the most recent Super arc I would've agreed

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Vegeta? Absolutely not. He spends the majority of that fight getting kicked around to the point where he realizes his only option is to suicide bomb, and that doesn't even work.

No SSJ3 Goku could have beaten Fat Buu, but not Super or Kid

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Reminder that the manga is superior to the Toei anime (not super). Toriyama's mastership with a pen is just uncomparable its just so fun to read because of how Toriyama draws.

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Jesus, dude, you're pathetic. You're like the literal stereotype of what people make fun of, while knowing literally nothing of what you talk about. Pretty much the entire post is wrong. But I can undermine your entire shitty confidence with one fact:

>They got SS2 at the same time. Now factor in Goku did that in the world of the dead while Geets was still in the world of the living while watching both of their kids and that should tell you who's the better fighter.

When Vegeta got SSJ2 and they fought "equally" Goku already had SSJ3. He later apologizes to Vegeta for hiding his true power in their battle and making him think they were equal, just before they fuse into Vegeto. The entire point of the Buu arc is that Goku starts out always doing less than he can because he wants to leave the situation to those who are still living.

Actually try watching the SHOW this time, retard.